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jelknerYesterday i attended the NOVA Web weekly co-op business meeting. Today i'll be attending the USFWC Tech Coop Network meeting and the Solidarity Economy Business Club Meeting. No blockers.10:59
dcammueon yesterday, i attended midterm and wrote Management test. today, i am changing folks that are here OS and will update the inventory list today, no blocker11:00
thomasboimahOn Wednesday, I backed up the mdlaion data on the PRT-03 linode server. Since I will be taking it down today, I also helped gabriel_jetro understand the LiberOrganize .json file dump and load process. No blockers.11:00
jelknerACTION done11:00
thomasboimahACTION done11:00
dcammueACTION done11:00
jkollieYesterday I get to send SJC board meeting reminder emails and did my lesson practices. 11:00
jkollieToday I'll continue from where I stop with my lessons. No blocker11:00
jkollieACTION done 11:00
jelknerok, let's roll on the agenda11:01
jelkneri have to keep moving 11:01
jelknerso much to do!11:01
jelknerdcammue, thomasboimah, are you ready?11:01
dcammue+111:02
thomasboimah+111:02
freenaYesterday I read over media cuz i got lost in the practice i was doing but i get the understanding. Today i plan to continue with my practice 11:02
freenaACTION done11:02
jelknerfreena, jkollie the real test for you will be passing the certification exam11:02
jelkneryou need to work hard, set a good pace, and let me know when you are ready11:02
jelknerthat will be a good, SMART goal for you11:03
freenaOkay11:03
jkollieAlright 11:03
jelknerjust one step along a long journey, but a nice one11:03
jelknera confidence builder too11:03
jelknersince if you pass, we will know you have learned some fundamentals we can build on11:03
jelknerok, dcammue 11:03
dcammueyes11:03
jelknerlet's talk hardware11:04
dcammue+1 ;-)11:04
jelknerI never know when mulbah is going to show11:04
dcammueACTION too11:04
jelknerso i won't plan for him, at least until i get there and can speak with him11:04
jelknerwe need to focus on gabriel_jetro 11:05
dcammue+111:05
jelknerwho has agreed, i believe, to be the next full time member of Jetro as soon as thomasboimah, dcammue, and zOnny give the green light11:05
jelknergabriel_jetro: we need to talk compensation11:06
jelknerwe've been thinking $300 per month to start11:06
jelknerwhat do you think?11:06
jelknergabriel_jetro: are you here?11:06
jelknerthis is becoming so important11:06
gabriel_jetroYes11:06
jelknerbecause if we don't get business soon11:06
jelknerwe won't be able to stay in business11:07
jelknerand if we don't have a solid dev team11:07
jelknerwe can't get business11:07
jelknerit's a classic chicken and egg problem11:07
jelknerare you familiar with that?11:07
gabriel_jetroYes 11:07
jelknerdo you use that expression in Liberia?11:08
jelknerWhich came first, the chicken or the egg?11:08
dcammueyes, i have been hearing that saying11:08
gabriel_jetroLol, we've whole lot of debate on that 11:08
dcammuebut don11:08
dcammuereally get it11:08
jelknerah, dcammue 11:08
jelknerlet me explain11:08
jelknerif you answer, "the chicken"11:09
gabriel_jetroWithout the chicken there would be no egg and without the egg there would be no chicken 11:09
jelknerthe question is, "But where did the chicken come from?"11:09
jelknerthe egg11:09
jelkneroh, so the egg came first11:09
jelknerbut where did the egg come from?11:09
jelknerTHE CHICKEN!11:09
jelknerlol11:09
dcammuethat complex11:09
gabriel_jetroBit where did the egg came from jelkner 11:09
gabriel_jetroLol 11:10
jelkneranyway, in this case i am talking about two interdependent processes11:10
jelknerlike chickens and eggs11:10
jelknerdev team and business11:10
dcammuei copy11:10
jelknerwhich came first the customers or the product?11:11
jelknersame idea11:11
dcammuewithout business, no dev , and without dev no business11:11
jelkner+1!11:11
dcammuecopy11:11
jelknerso that's our challenge11:11
jelknerright now, we have zOnny and thomasboimah ready to go11:11
jelknerbut we need a bigger team11:11
jelknerand we need a designer11:12
jelknerok, back to our agenda11:12
jelknerand my apologies for wandering off task ;-)11:12
jelknerHere is our current inventory list: https://share.mayfirst.org/s/sgqNAdnxMPbNjDB11:13
jelknerLet's start thinking in terms of 1. Who are the Jetro members that need computers and 2. What do they need?11:14
jelknerFor the past 4 years I've been just bringing whatever i can11:14
jelknerand asking like Santa Clause11:15
jelknerno more11:15
jelkneri've been telling you i'm not santa clause for a long time11:15
jelknernow, you need to take ownership of the planning process11:15
dcammuesure11:15
jelkneryou won't have to pay for any of the equipment yet11:15
jelknerbut someday you will11:15
jelknerso you will need to learn to plan for that in the future11:16
jelknerfor now, i just want you to own the process11:16
jelkneras you can see, i've added 3 laptops to the inventory which i will be bringing with me11:16
jelkneri want to know who is the jetro member most able to install operating systems and maintain systems?11:17
jelknerscooper was really good at that11:17
jelknerbut now we don't have him11:17
jelknerso we need to learn that skill11:17
jelknerwho do you want to put in charge of that?11:17
gabriel_jetroI can 11:18
dcammuethe willing person11:18
jelknerdcammue: do you agree with that?11:18
dcammueif he is willing i agree11:18
jelknergabriel_jetro: that can be your first task11:18
jelknerbut you need to act *fast*11:18
jelkneri'm coming soon11:19
jelknerand this needs to be done in the next two weeks11:19
jelknerso i can plan what to bring after you finish11:19
jelknergabriel_jetro: do you have access to the document?11:19
gabriel_jetroYes11:19
jelknerGood11:20
jelknerSo let's start by updating everyone's laptops to either Linuxmint DE 711:20
jelkneror if they are older machines, PeppermintOS Trixie11:21
jelknergabriel_jetro: you'll need a UBS stick with Ventoy on it11:21
jelknerand you should install the latest version of Ventoy11:21
jelknergabriel_jetro: i have other AUS Vivobooks i can bring11:22
dcammuejelkner, i started the process already, so he can get it from me11:22
jelknerit looks like you should get an upgrade11:22
jelknerif you are going to join the core dev team11:22
gabriel_jetroWe've all set up and the process is ongoing jelkner 11:23
dcammuei updated the list with two computers, gimp and inkscape11:23
jelknernice11:23
dcammuei just done with freena computer, naming it decidim11:23
jelknerlet's use lowercase names for the machines11:24
jelknerno caps11:24
jelknernice!11:24
jelknerbut i already named my computer decidim11:24
jelknerso one of us will have to change that ;-)11:24
dcammuewow11:24
dcammuethen we can rename it11:25
jelknerlook on the sheet11:25
jelkneri named the 3 computers i'm brining gnucash, hexchat and decidim ;-)11:25
jelkneranyway11:25
jelknerlooks like we are good on that11:25
jelknernext item11:25
jelknerthomasboimah: what is the status of the graphics designer search?11:26
thomasboimahIt has been a while since I last spoke with the three (3) designers that Zawolo recommended. I gave them a task, and two were able to deliver. So I plan to have a meeting with Jetro Webster to select one of the designers to work with.11:26
jelknermr. zawolo has been asking me, and i had an important conversation with zOnny about this yesterday too11:26
jelknerok, here is a crucial thing for you to consider11:27
jelkneryou naturally need someone with artistic skills11:27
jelknerthat is the most fundamental requirement11:27
jelknerbut we need someone willing to learn new tech11:27
jelknersince we need to help someone become a FOSS designer11:28
jelknernot a corporate designer11:28
jelknerso we need someone willing to use GNU/Linux and to learn the tools of the FOSS stack11:28
jelknerinkscape, krita / gimp, HTML/CSS11:29
jelknerpenpot11:29
jelkneri'll want to meet whomever you select11:29
thomasboimahall of that was take in to consideration when I spoke to them, and i explain to they how we are fan of FOSS.11:29
thomasboimah*them11:29
jelknernice11:29
jelknerthat is a crucial requirement11:30
jelknerwe can't do business as a FOSS co-op without that11:30
jelknerso let me know whom you select11:30
jelknerand invite them to start coming to our irc meetings11:31
thomasboimahOkay11:31
thomasboimahI will talk with the team and they will be the one to select11:31
jelknernice!11:31
jelknerok, i have to go11:31
thomasboimahjelkner, 11:32
jelknerthomasboimah,11:32
freenajelkner: can you please bring USB drive for me when you come??11:32
jelknerfreena: you need to talk to dcammue 11:32
thomasboimahDo you see an email from: Hetzner?11:32
jelknerthomasboimah, yes11:32
freenaOkay11:32
jelkneri think it gets automatically paid11:32
jelknerfreena, the reason i'm saying that11:32
thomasboimahIt is when webschool.sjcomppute server is right?11:32
jelkneris because i'm not santa clause, remember? ;-)11:32
jelkneri deal with the co-op11:33
freenaSure 11:33
jelknerthe co-op needs to manage its requirements11:33
jelknergabriel_jetro will now be working on that too11:33
jelknerthe idea is to complile a list of what you need11:33
jelknerand ask me what i can bring from that list11:33
jelkneryou need to own the process of planning your business11:34
dcammuebut jelkner can well use the OS names or that will not be appropriate?11:34
dcammueto name the computer11:35
dcammuecomputers811:35
dcammuecomputer*11:35
thomasboimahjelkner, I receive an email from Chris to file a support ticket to Linode and ask them to unblock outgoing SMTP? So I was a bit confuse since i know that the webschool.sjcompute is on Hetzner not Linode. is that right?11:35
jelknerlol11:36
jelknerdcammue: this is a fun thing11:36
jelknerbut i like to make it educational too11:36
jelknerthe tradition in a unix shop is to name machines using some theme11:36
dcammuebecause the computers are many than the software11:36
jelknerah, is that so11:37
jelknerthat means you aren't thinking hard enough ;-)11:37
jelknerwhich is why i started this game11:37
jelkneryou can name a computer vim or most or git or python or ...11:38
jelknerlots of names!11:38
jelknerthe game is, we name the machines after FOSS programs11:38
dcammueoka11:38
jelknerand "program" gets fuzzy11:38
dcammueget it11:38
jelknerbut it encourages us to think11:38
jelkneris django a "program"?11:39
jelknernot really11:39
jelknerit's a web application framework11:39
jelknera library11:39
jelknerbut we create programs using it11:39
jelknerso libreporganize is certainly a program11:39
jelknerso it businesstracker11:40
dcammueso actually the dev team can use that name11:40
dcammueit sweet them i think11:40
jelknerhave some fun with it11:40
jelknerand learn at the same time11:40
jelknerthat's the idea11:40
jelknerok, i gotta go11:40
dcammuethanks11:40
jelknerdcammue: next week we have a very strange schedule11:40
jelknerremind me on sunday to talk to you about that11:40
jelknerbut we have class at the regular time tomorrow11:41
thomasboimahjelkner, did you see the message i send you here?11:41
dcammueokay11:41
jelknerah, is it?11:41
jelknerlet me stay and work on that with you11:41
jelknerit's not11:42
jelknerin fact, i don't think we are doing anything with that hetzner machine11:42
jelknerthomasboimah: we need to get you access to all these machines11:43
jelknerlet's work on that now11:43
thomasboimahsure11:43
jelknerwhat is your linode user thomasboimah?11:44
jelkneri'm on the admin page11:45
jelknerwith an "Add A User" button11:45
thomasboimahtboimah-novawebdev11:45
jelknerwhat is the email you use with that?11:46
jelkneri need to fill in username and email11:46
thomasboimahthomas.boimah@jetrowebdevelopment.org11:46
jelknerit didn't take the dash in the user name11:47
jelknerso i entered it as tboimahnovawebdev11:47
jelkneryou should get an email asking you to set a password11:48
jelknerlet me know when you do11:48
thomasboimahjust got the email11:48
jelknernow let's look at that hetzner machine11:48
jelknergreat11:48
jelkneri'll let you deal with that while i look into hetzner11:48
thomasboimahjelkner, I am seeing this when i click on the link you send: 11:49
thomasboimahVerify your phone number11:49
thomasboimahYour phone number will only ever be used to verify your identity.11:49
thomasboimahWe’ll send a verification code to your phone. Enter a phone number that can receive SMS messages, starting with your country code. The verification message may be subject to messaging fees by your carrier.11:49
thomasboimahnvm11:51
jelknerwhat happened?11:52
thomasboimahit is asking me for a phone number to send verification code11:53
thomasboimahBut all good11:53
thomasboimahit is not a problem or blocker11:54
jelknergot you11:54
jelknerbtw, i'm bringing two phones11:54
jelknerwhich i hope some jetro person will want to hack on11:55
gabriel_jetrojelkner: I need phone 11:56
thomasboimahjelkner, I am into Linode but i am not seeing any server12:01
jelknerhmmm...12:04
jelknerlet me take attendance and then follow up12:04
thomasboimahokay12:05
thomasboimahACTION going to look for something eat. will back12:07
jelknerdcammue: any chance you can make our SE Business Club meeting tonight?12:35
dcammueyes12:36
jelknersuper12:36
dcammuei will make it12:36
jelknerthanks12:36
jelknerit's late for you12:36
dcammueyou welcome12:36
jelknerbut at least you'll be home12:36
jelknersince you live where you work ;-)12:36
dcammueyes12:36
dcammueno worry12:36
jelknerresl: so good to see you12:43
jelknerthomasboimah: let me know when you're back12:43
resljelkner: That's nice to hear!12:47
jelknerresl: we are making a lot of progress with our django dev skill development12:49
jelkneri'm really looking forward to seeing if we can get some kind of grant from VASEN12:49
jelknerto do the cleaning co-op application12:49
jelknerresl: nairuti may be an ally in that effort12:51
jelkneryou should reach out to her to look over the grant proposal i think12:51
jelknerlet me know if you want to discuss it more12:51
jelknerthis is a great opportunity for us!12:52
jelknerto see if we can write a grant proposal to a closely aligned organization and get support12:52
jelknerthomasboimah: let me know when you're back12:52
jelkneri'm ready when you are12:53
resljelkner: Got it. I will try to get the proposal ready and reach out to her as soon as possible.12:53
jelknerthanks!12:53
jelknerresl: it's time to find out who really loves us ;-)12:55
jelknerresl: just received an email about a $1K deposit in NWD12:57
jelknerresl: do you know what that is?12:57
resljelkner: or who understands how to show love to poor people! lol I saw that in the account. I was going to ask you about it. I'm looking into it.12:57
jelknerthanks12:58
jelknerlet me know what you find out12:58
jelknerbtw. since you are going to be doing a lot of our financial management12:58
jelknerwe should get you set up as a signer on the account12:58
jelknerthe best time will be november12:58
jelknerwhen we vote you in as a full worker owner12:59
resljelkner: That would be good. In the meantime, whatever we can do to enable me to do the work that needs to be done, especially in accounting and taxes, would be helpful. I have asked Kei re: the recent deposit to NWD, but as you probably saw this morning, she is currently dealing with an emergency situation. 13:32
jelkneri did see13:46
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jelknerresl: btw, do you know about the Tech Co-op Network meeting today at 3:30 pm?13:47
jelknerthomasboimah: are you back yet?13:47
resljelkner: Yes. I'm trying to remember what that meeting is exactly, but it is in my calendar and I plan to attend it... Can you refresh my memory?13:52
jelkneryou bet!13:53
jelknerit's an important meeting, resl 13:53
jelknerso let me give you some history13:53
resljelkner: much appreciated!13:53
jelknerhttps://www.usworker.coop/tech-peer-network/13:54
jelknerstart here...13:54
resljelkner: Please check your signal too for a moment - I ask you a private question there.13:54
jelknerlol, that's not private, resl 13:55
jelkneroctober 31st, 196013:55
resljelkner: But everyone will know you are a flower child now o.013:55
jelknermy mother went to the doctor and said "Trick or Treat"13:56
reslhaha13:56
jelknerand the doctor said "Trick", and i haunted the poor woman ever thereafter ;-)13:56
jelknerso back to the tech worker coop network13:57
resljelkner: Spooky... Ok, yes back to that.14:05
jelknerit has been around for a long time14:06
jelknerbut very challenging to really get off the ground in the U.S.14:07
jelknersince cooperation is not something we learn to do in the U.S. :-(14:07
jelknerit's missing from our DNA14:07
jelknerunlike FAC[TIC], for example14:07
jelknerat one point Agaric, ChiCommons, NOVA Web, C4Tech, and Design Action Collective were involved in meetings to some degree14:08
jelknerit will be very interesting to see who shows today14:08
thomasboimahACTION is back14:10
thomasboimahjelkner, sorry for the long delay14:10
jelknernp thomasboimah 14:10
jelknerresl: Design Action is a collective you will want to put on your radar14:10
jelknerhttps://designaction.org/14:11
jelknerThey've been around since 200214:11
jelknerso they are doing something right!14:11
resljelkner: Ok, got it. This must be the tech cooperative workers association that we allude to on our website...14:11
jelkner+114:11
jelkneri don't know if Sabiha Basrai is still active with them, but she was their representative on the Tech Network when i was last attending meetings14:12
jelknerif this group effectively served its mission14:13
jelknerit would be one way to help us find work14:13
jelknerok, i need to get back to teacher stuff14:13
jelknerafter a brief conversation with thomasboimah 14:13
jelknerthomasboimah: it seems like we haven't done anything with the hetzner server14:14
jelknerthough you, zOnny and i have accounts on it14:14
jelknercan you access it?14:14
thomasboimahnot sure let me see14:14
jelkneralso, you should now see the 2 linodes14:15
jelknersince i just granted you admin14:15
thomasboimahyeah, thanks14:15
resljelkner: thank you14:16
jelkner138.199.213.13614:16
jelknerthat's the ip thomasboimah 14:16
resljelkner: understood re: Tech Network14:16
jelknergreat, see you there14:17
jelknerlet's hope for good things!14:17
thomasboimahjelkner, it seem like i can't access my account on hetzner :-( that's bad.14:18
jelknerif Steve Ediger shows from ChiCommons, resl, perhaps we can setup a time with him to talk Decidim?14:18
thomasboimahI think i stole my credential but I am think where14:18
jelknerok, thomasboimah, i'll let you look into that14:18
jelknerand we can talk more on friday14:18
jelkneri really have to go!14:18
resljelkner: Good idea re: ChiCommons14:19
resljelkner: Bye for now - good luck today.14:19
jelkneri'm getting behind in my day job work14:19
thomasboimahI also keep my credential no bitwarden but i can't find it their14:19
jelknerthanks!14:19
thomasboimah*always14:19
reslthomasboimah: I can maybe help you for now14:19
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thomasboimahOkay resl please do14:19
reslthomasboimah: Do you have time to join a jitsi call? meet.mayfirst.org/jetroweb for example14:19
thomasboimahyep!14:20
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reslok be there in a second14:20
reslthomasboimah: thank you for downloading Signal app so we can use that for some communications. There is also a desktop Signal app. I use that often and suggest you install that too on your laptop if you are using a personal laptop. Do you have your own laptop?14:31
thomasboimahyes14:33
reslthomasboimah: Okay, cool. Do you want to install Signal Desktop app so you can type there instead of on your phone when we use Signal?14:47
reslLet me know if you need a moment to do that...14:47
thomasboimahokay14:48
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