IRC log of #jetrowebdev for Thursday, 2025-08-21

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svayeGood morning thomasboimah 10:23
svaye Good morning jelkner 10:43
jelknerGood morning dcammue, jkollie and svaye!10:54
dcammueGood morning jelkner10:54
dcammueand svaye jkollie 10:54
jelknerthomasboimah seems to be away10:54
jkolliegood morning jelkner10:54
dcammueyeah10:54
svayeGood morning jelkner dcammue and jelkner 10:55
dcammuejelkner, you saw my mail yesterday?10:55
jelknerthere he is10:56
jelknerand gabriel_jetro too ;-)10:56
tboimah_Greeting folks10:56
jelknergreat, i was hoping to follow up with you10:56
dcammuesvaye, did you login the database?10:56
jelkneryes she did10:56
jelknersvaye, you should cc dcammue when you email me10:56
svayeYes I sent a mail this morning 10:56
dcammueokay10:56
jelknersaves time10:56
jelknermakes communication more effective10:56
svayejelkner: I cc'd everyone 10:57
jelknerah, good work10:57
jelknerits just dcammue is not reading his emails ;-)10:57
gabriel_jetroGreetings, jelkner and everyone10:57
dcammuemy bad10:57
jelknerlol10:57
dcammuei did not check my mail10:57
jelkneri check first thing each morning10:58
jelknerhelps plan for the day10:58
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jelknerYesterday i conferred with cjones about our plans for Jetro. I'll report on that after the stand-up. Today i'll be working on preparing lessons for 1st day of school next Monday. No blockers.11:00
jelknerACTION done11:00
tboimah_Yesterday, I started looking into Test-Driven Development with Python (TDD): https://www.obeythetestinggoat.com/pages/book.html#toc I also looked at the Octree website: https://en.octree.ch/ since they will be one of our player :-) and we need to know them. I did some reading on the Django documentation, as always, since it is one of my best friends :-).11:00
tboimah_Today, I plan to address Chris’s email on the PR. No blockers.11:00
tboimah_ACTION done11:00
svayeYesterday I logged into the databases on gnucash, and went through some features. Today I will record what I learned and hope we can't schedule a fixed meeting with jelkner. No blockers 11:01
svayeACTION done11:01
jkollie Today I'll do an overview of my Decidim task and continue, also hoping to have a conversation with kei concerning our decidim meeting11:01
jkollie since she can't be able to join early. 11:01
jkollieACTION done11:01
dcammueYesterday, i was able to login with the credentials jelkner shared and attended my free online class at allison and today, i plan to continue with my class11:02
dcammueno blocker11:02
dcammueACTION done11:02
jelknergabriel_jetro?11:04
jelknerok, since gabriel_jetro is not responding11:04
gabriel_jetroYesterday I read on Test Driving Development (TDD) with python, which is an essential guide for python web developer whom are looking to master the TDD methodology through hands-on approach, it explores key aspect of web programming, including database integration and javascript. it also delves into browser automation tools such as selenium, while addressing modern topic like NoSql11:04
jelkneroops11:04
gabriel_jetrothere's no blocker for now11:04
gabriel_jetroACTION done11:04
jelknergreat11:04
jelknerlet's call this stand-up meeting to a close11:05
jelknerthis is working really well11:05
jelkneras you may remember from last year11:05
jelkneronce school starts, my time will be very limited11:05
jelknermost of my day will be spent doing my teacher job11:05
jelknerso this morning check-in will be the only reliable time we can meet11:06
jelknerso we need to make good use of it11:06
jelknerand i am glad to say we are doing just that11:06
jelknerso, based on what y'all said11:06
jelknerlet me make suggestions for each of you11:06
jelknertboimah_, as the paid staff developer you are responsible for taking the lead on working with cjones and developing the ToDo app11:07
jelkneri expect almost daily commits11:07
jelknereach day you should complete an issue, make a pull request, read his feedback, etc.11:07
jelknerover and over11:07
jelknerhe will develop new issues as you finish previous onces11:08
jelknerbefore long, you will have developed a minimal viable product11:08
jelknerand we can discuss starting to use it11:08
jelkneryour development velocity should increase rapidly as you learn11:08
jelknerright now it is *really* slow11:09
jelknerwe are working on a ToDo app that a pro could finish in a few hours11:09
jelknerand it is taking us months11:09
jelknerthat's ok11:09
jelknerbut we need to change it11:09
jelknerif you want to be a pro11:09
jelknertboimah_ and gabriel_jetro, the book you found is an excellent book11:10
jelknerbut it is really old now11:10
jelkneri have a signed copy on my shelf11:10
jelknerthe author was at Pycon11:10
jelknerand i got him to sign it11:10
jelknerbut Django has changed a lot (*a lot*) since he wrote that book11:10
jelknerso you can't really follow along with it11:11
jelknerall i want you to know at this point is what TDD is11:11
jelkneri make my students do it11:11
jelknerand when i create assignments i'll share them with you so you can being thinking about it11:11
jelknerfor now, don't worry any more about it11:11
jelkneryou'll learn more as your skills improve11:12
jelknerare you clear on what to do tboimah_?11:12
tboimah_+111:12
jelknergreat11:12
jelkneri'll be checking with cjones each day11:12
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jelknerhe will tell me how you are doing11:12
gabriel_jetrookay11:12
jelknergabriel_jetro, you should work as closely with tboimah_ as you can11:13
jelknerbut since he is the paid staffer right now11:13
jelkneri'll hold him responsible11:13
jelkneras soon as he gets to the level where we can charge for his work11:13
jelknerwe can bring you and mulbah on too11:13
jelknerso all three of you can earn from your work11:14
jelknerok, svaye and dcammue 11:14
dcammue+111:14
svayeYes11:14
jelknerhere is the task i would like to give you two11:14
jelknersvaye, since dcammue has already taken the initiative to find a resource11:14
jelkneri encourage you to complete that free online course too11:15
jelknerso the two of you begin to develop a shared understanding11:15
jelkneryour project based learning should be the Jetro Web books themselves11:15
jelkneryou two should setup the accounts11:15
jelknerand keep them updated11:15
jelkneri'll want to be able to log in and see all the transfer money that SJC has sent you11:16
jelknerand where it went11:16
jelkneronce you are confident with your own bookkeeping11:16
svayejelkner: I am researching on it right now. They offer certificates to five different courses.11:16
jelknerbe careful with that svaye 11:16
jelknera lot of those things are really just scams11:17
jelknerthey are always trying to sell you something11:17
jelknerwe need skills11:17
jelknernot credentials11:17
jelknercredentials are only useful when they represent real skills11:17
jelknersometimes they do11:17
jelknermany times they don't11:18
jelkneri have fought against stupid credentialing all my career11:18
jelknerwhen i find a good credential (and PCEP and CPE are some of the best i've seen)11:18
jelkneri embrace them11:18
jelknerbut i resist wasting time on scams11:18
jelkneranyway, it will be your project that will show me whether you are really learning11:19
jelknerwhat to the Jetro books look like?11:19
jelknerthat's how i will know you've "got it"11:19
jelknermake sense?11:19
svaye+111:19
jelknerso svaye and dcammue, you feel you know what i am asking you to do?11:20
dcammue+111:20
jelknerthat leaves jkollie 11:21
svayeYes11:21
jelknergreat11:21
jelknerjkollie, i have a task for you too11:21
jelknerit's a big one11:21
svayedcammue: which course are you learning at Alison?11:21
jkollieokay please go adhead11:21
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jelknerDownload a copy of the Decidim book: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-50784-711:22
jelknerit's free11:22
jelknersee if you can read it11:22
jelknertake notes in a git repo somewhere using Markdown11:22
jelkneri would love to discuss the book with you11:22
jelknerit will probably be some tough reading for you11:23
jelknerbut let's see what you can get out of it11:23
jelknerif you want to really contribute to the Decidim team11:23
jkolliealright11:23
dcammuei am learning bookkeeping and payroll management11:23
jelknerit will be important for you to understand what Decidim is and why it exists11:23
jelknerok, anything else before i go?11:23
jelkneri'll check back with you tomorrow11:24
jelkneri hope to see mr. zawolo here today11:24
jkollieokay11:24
dcammueokay jelkner 11:24
jelknerhave a great rest of your day everyone!11:24
dcammuesvaye, i answered you question right?11:24
tboimah_Okay you too11:25
dcammueyou too jelkner 11:25
gabriel_jetroOkay you too, jelkner 11:25
jelknersee y'all tomorrow, same place, same time11:25
jelknerACTION logs off for the day11:25
dcammue+111:25
svayeHave a wonderful day jelkner 11:25
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gabriel_jetrothomasboimah: 11:25
tboimah_yes11:25
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gabriel_jetroI tried pulling your code but ain't seeing it, did you create a branch?11:26
tboimah_yes11:26
tboimah_clone the branch: feature/task_model11:26
tboimah_bye guys11:27
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gabriel_jetroOhk Man 11:27
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