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| thomasboimah | Good morning jelkner | 10:33 |
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| svaye | Good morning jelkner | 10:34 |
| svaye | Good afternoon thomasboimah | 10:34 |
| thomasboimah | it is still in the morning svaye | 10:34 |
| thomasboimah | Good morning svaye | 10:34 |
| svaye | Sorry good morning thomasboimah, I got used to good afternoon | 10:35 |
| jelkner | LOL Good day thomasboimah and svaye! | 10:35 |
| jelkner | i am *very* eager to hear about your meeting with mr. zawolo! | 10:36 |
| svaye | How are you jelkner ? | 10:36 |
| jelkner | were you at the meeting with mr. zawolo, svaye? | 10:37 |
| svaye | Yes jelkner | 10:37 |
| jelkner | well, i'll tell you "how i am" after you tell me what happened at the meeting, since that will at least in part determine how i am ;-) | 10:38 |
| jelkner | did you meet a 2nd time? | 10:38 |
| jelkner | any progress on the discussion around the office? | 10:39 |
| jelkner | did he bring the computers i gave him? | 10:40 |
| svaye | The meeting with Mr Zawolo was great, he gave us the computers, phones and power adapter. I have not been able to reach him to schedule the 2nd meeting. | 10:42 |
| jelkner | is he still there? | 10:42 |
| jelkner | we are back at school now | 10:42 |
| jelkner | maybe he returned | 10:42 |
| jelkner | if so, i'll see him this morning here | 10:43 |
| jelkner | i'm back at work today | 10:43 |
| jelkner | svaye, thomasboimah, how are we going to proceed with the office discussion? | 10:43 |
| thomasboimah | I think Zawolo is still here | 10:44 |
| thomasboimah | svaye, will call him today and remind about our 2nd meeting | 10:44 |
| jelkner | i'll confirm with you tomorrow morning if i see him at our staff meeting, thomasboimah | 10:44 |
| thomasboimah | concern the Office space | 10:44 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, svaye this is it, the long promised 4th reboot of NOVA Web Dev | 10:45 |
| thomasboimah | But during our first meeting he did mention that he was going to help with the office space | 10:45 |
| jelkner | if y'all really want to be a successful business, *NOW* will be your time to step up and prove it! | 10:45 |
| jelkner | yes, thomasboimah, that's what you told me | 10:45 |
| jelkner | but that is not much information to go on | 10:45 |
| jelkner | i don't know what that means | 10:45 |
| jelkner | and what our timeline is | 10:46 |
| thomasboimah | So when svaye confirm with him today. Then we will know our next step | 10:46 |
| thomasboimah | svaye, you will do that right? | 10:46 |
| jelkner | ok, i was hoping you would have that information already? | 10:46 |
| jelkner | like i said dear friends, we don't have time to drag our feet | 10:46 |
| jelkner | i'm counting on you to take initiative | 10:47 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, for now the item you send is at my place | 10:47 |
| jelkner | that's why you're the two staff people | 10:47 |
| thomasboimah | Since it will be save there | 10:47 |
| jelkner | my concert is not the items, thomasboimah | 10:47 |
| jelkner | it is mulbah | 10:47 |
| jelkner | and others | 10:47 |
| jelkner | he will never be able to fully participate until he has a reliable place to work | 10:47 |
| jelkner | with: | 10:47 |
| jelkner | 1. Regular electricity | 10:48 |
| thomasboimah | Maybe they are still waiting for 12:30 and they forget to check there mail | 10:48 |
| jelkner | 2. Unlimited data and reasonably fast Internet | 10:48 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, i'm going to hold you accountable to move fast | 10:48 |
| svaye | I called Mr Zawolo this morning, but he didn't pick the call, I also texted him. | 10:48 |
| jelkner | here, people go through intensive 6 month "boot camps" starting with no previous experience and leave as entry level programmers | 10:49 |
| jelkner | we've been doing this together for more than 3 years now | 10:49 |
| jelkner | in the next 6 months, you, thomasboimah and hopefully gabriel, need to become entry level pros | 10:50 |
| jelkner | or it could jeapordize our 4th reboot | 10:50 |
| jelkner | so step up, or step out, my dear friend | 10:50 |
| jelkner | have you completed any more work on the ToDo app? | 10:50 |
| thomasboimah | I really don’t know if Chris has come back from his trip. I plan to resume working on the Todo app Today. No blockers. | 10:51 |
| jelkner | so what have you been doing the past week? | 10:51 |
| thomasboimah | During the weekend, I was able to complete all of my activities at UoPeople and take my final exam for this term | 10:51 |
| jelkner | yes, but that was a week ago, right? | 10:52 |
| thomasboimah | Yes. and we been have meeting when you was not here | 10:52 |
| thomasboimah | *having | 10:52 |
| jelkner | great! | 10:52 |
| jelkner | what did you accomplish during that time? | 10:52 |
| thomasboimah | PLease check the log | 10:52 |
| jelkner | lol | 10:53 |
| jelkner | yes sir! | 10:53 |
| jelkner | ACTION goes to read the logs | 10:53 |
| gabriel_jetro | Greetings, jelkner, thomasboimah, and svaye | 10:54 |
| svaye | thomasboimah: jelkner freena will not be with us this week, she went for a trip out of the country. | 10:54 |
| svaye | Good morning gabriel_jetro | 10:54 |
| thomasboimah | Freena said that she will not be able to join our stand-up meetings for almost a week, since she will be going to Sierra Leone and she does not know what the network will be like. | 10:54 |
| thomasboimah | Good morning gabriel_jetro | 10:55 |
| jkollie | good morning jelkner | 10:55 |
| jelkner | Good day jkollie | 10:56 |
| jelkner | ok thomasboimah, i just read the logs | 10:56 |
| jelkner | great work earlier in the week | 10:56 |
| jelkner | but then it started slipping at the week progressed | 10:56 |
| jkollie | and good afternoon jetro websters | 10:56 |
| jelkner | not much at all Friday or Monday | 10:56 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, Is Chris back now?? | 10:56 |
| jelkner | yes, we are both back at work | 10:57 |
| thomasboimah | Yes. ON Friday that is the time we meet with Zawolo | 10:57 |
| svaye | jelkner: we didn't meet on Friday because we were with Mr Zawolo. | 10:57 |
| jelkner | but let me tell you what you should have done that you didn't do, thomasboimah | 10:57 |
| jelkner | you should have: | 10:57 |
| jelkner | 1. completed the last task he assigned you | 10:57 |
| jelkner | 2. asking him for the next task | 10:57 |
| jelkner | then you would be blocking on *him*, not you | 10:57 |
| jelkner | we need that to happen most of the time | 10:58 |
| jelkner | of you are not doing what we need you to do | 10:58 |
| jelkner | we need to you lead | 10:58 |
| jelkner | to take initiative and to push us forward | 10:58 |
| thomasboimah | Yes. my bad. I am sorry about that | 10:58 |
| jelkner | cjones is a resource | 10:58 |
| jelkner | he is hear to help you | 10:58 |
| jelkner | but *you* need to move the process | 10:58 |
| jelkner | you're the one trying to make a living from this, not him, right? | 10:59 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 10:59 |
| jelkner | ok, coo | 10:59 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:59 |
| jelkner | please let's really take this seriously | 10:59 |
| thomasboimah | It will not happen againg | 10:59 |
| thomasboimah | *again | 10:59 |
| jelkner | don't say that, thomasboimah | 11:00 |
| jelkner | since don't promise what you can't deliver | 11:00 |
| jelkner | it might happen again | 11:00 |
| jelkner | and if we are going to be good at planning | 11:00 |
| jelkner | we need to acknowledge that | 11:00 |
| jelkner | or we are deluging ourselves | 11:00 |
| thomasboimah | OKay | 11:00 |
| jelkner | *BUT*, you can promise to do all you can to reduce the probability that it will happen again ;-) | 11:01 |
| jelkner | that's all you can promise to deliver | 11:01 |
| jelkner | if you think about it | 11:01 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 11:01 |
| jelkner | and i'll be happy with that | 11:01 |
| jelkner | anyway, i should have the $30K start up capital on September 13th | 11:02 |
| jelkner | this is serious now | 11:02 |
| jelkner | since if we do not make effective use of this resource | 11:02 |
| jelkner | there may not be much after that | 11:02 |
| jelkner | and the 4th reboot will not succeed | 11:02 |
| jelkner | so klarios, aphillips and jelkner will be working as hard as we can to make this reboot work | 11:03 |
| jelkner | i told klarios that i wanted our business plan to consider jetro web deeply | 11:03 |
| jelkner | and to even consider the possibility that we can't earn enough revenue to support full time workers in the us | 11:04 |
| jelkner | but we can still earn enough to support any of you who really want to do this in Liberia | 11:04 |
| jelkner | but if you don't step up now | 11:04 |
| jelkner | that won't be possible either | 11:04 |
| jelkner | which is why i'm telling you, if you *really* want to do this | 11:04 |
| jelkner | *NOW* is the time so show it! | 11:05 |
| jelkner | you get me? | 11:05 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 11:05 |
| gabriel_jetro | +1 | 11:05 |
| jkollie | +1 | 11:05 |
| svaye | +1 | 11:05 |
| jelkner | excellent | 11:05 |
| jelkner | well, the two most key players at this stage are thomasboimah and gabriel_jetro | 11:05 |
| jelkner | since we need to know they can write Django code like beginning level pros | 11:06 |
| jelkner | this ToDo app can't drag on for months and months | 11:06 |
| jelkner | if it does, my dear friends, you will have failed | 11:06 |
| jelkner | you need to get it delivered by around the end of September i would say | 11:06 |
| jelkner | so you need to move as fast as you can on it | 11:07 |
| gabriel_jetro | okay, noted | 11:07 |
| jelkner | learning to handle one feature request and / or bug fix after another | 11:07 |
| jelkner | until we have a usable product | 11:07 |
| jelkner | this is a confidence building project | 11:07 |
| jelkner | once you deliver it | 11:07 |
| jelkner | cjones and i will discuss another | 11:07 |
| jelkner | before too long, you will be actually able to contribute to things like LibreOrganize, Business Traffic, or the ARTraffice code we wrote | 11:08 |
| jelkner | when you can to that, you will have become pros | 11:08 |
| jelkner | svaye, do you know if dcammue is coming this morning? | 11:09 |
| jelkner | i have fixed the problem with you accessing the GnuCash databases | 11:09 |
| jelkner | and wanted to set up a time to work with you on that | 11:09 |
| svaye | jelkner: he should have been here, we talked about today's meeting yesterday. I don't know why he's not here. | 11:10 |
| jelkner | svaye, btw, while i was away at our family gathering, i had a chance to talk to one of our young family members | 11:10 |
| jelkner | who is studying accounting | 11:10 |
| jelkner | his name is Luis | 11:11 |
| jelkner | and Heylin is studying business too | 11:11 |
| jelkner | so i mentioned to them the idea of starting a bookkeeping business | 11:11 |
| jelkner | and they are interested in talking about it | 11:11 |
| jelkner | we should pursue both web development and bookkeeping | 11:12 |
| jelkner | all businesses need bookkeepers | 11:12 |
| jelkner | so we need to do that in any case | 11:12 |
| svaye | Exactly | 11:12 |
| jelkner | since we either have to hire a bookkeeper (which we can't afford) | 11:12 |
| jelkner | or learn to do it ourselves | 11:12 |
| jelkner | and if we learn to do it ourselves | 11:13 |
| jelkner | we might as well offer it as a service to others | 11:13 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else for me this morning? | 11:13 |
| jelkner | we should meet daily now at this time | 11:13 |
| jelkner | klarios won't be able to attend this early | 11:13 |
| jelkner | but it is the only time that i can do it | 11:13 |
| jelkner | so this will be my responsibility | 11:14 |
| jelkner | she will read the logs | 11:14 |
| svaye | jelkner: when you have time I would love for us to talk more on what you just mentioned. | 11:14 |
| jelkner | i have time now svaye | 11:14 |
| jelkner | let's do it | 11:14 |
| jelkner | i have a staff meeting in 45 minutes | 11:14 |
| jelkner | so i have a bit of time now | 11:14 |
| jelkner | tomorrow i have free planning time all day, btw | 11:14 |
| jelkner | in case we need to meet for longer | 11:15 |
| jelkner | what do you want to ask svaye? | 11:15 |
| svaye | You talked about making bookkeeping apart 9f the service we offer | 11:15 |
| jelkner | yes | 11:15 |
| jelkner | every solidarity economy movement i know of seems to be doing that | 11:16 |
| jelkner | when i think about it, it makes total sense | 11:16 |
| svaye | How would you like for us to go about doing it? | 11:16 |
| jelkner | well, my dear friend, i think the logical way to do it is clear | 11:17 |
| jelkner | we have 5 businesses we need to manage now | 11:17 |
| jelkner | 1. Jetro Web Development | 11:17 |
| jelkner | 2. NOVA Web Development | 11:17 |
| jelkner | 3. SECOSOL | 11:17 |
| jelkner | 4. Social Justice Computing | 11:17 |
| jelkner | that's 4, not 5 ;-) | 11:18 |
| svaye | I know we are getting familiar with gnucash for bookkeeping. | 11:18 |
| jelkner | this is what is called "Problem Based Learning", svaye | 11:18 |
| jelkner | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem-based_learning | 11:19 |
| jelkner | that is my very favorite kind of learning | 11:19 |
| svaye | jelkner: I mentioned once that we need to start meeting to discuss strategies apart from the stand up meeting. That would help us alot when it comes to managing these businesses | 11:19 |
| jelkner | since it focuses on actually doing that which i find the most exciting thing about being human | 11:19 |
| jelkner | creatively solving real world problems | 11:20 |
| jelkner | actively reforming and reconstructing the world around us | 11:20 |
| svaye | Dcammue and I have been learning but we don't have much interaction with those we are going to be working for/with. | 11:20 |
| jelkner | we need to do the books for our 4 businesses | 11:20 |
| jelkner | so we need to learn bookkeeping for real | 11:21 |
| jelkner | and SOON! | 11:21 |
| jelkner | if we just work together to figure out how to keep the books for our 4 businesses | 11:21 |
| jelkner | and document as we learn | 11:21 |
| jelkner | we will go a long way toward developing the skills we need to offer that same service to other small co-ops and non-profits | 11:22 |
| jelkner | so for me, the plan is simply to get our own house in order | 11:22 |
| svaye | +1 | 11:23 |
| jelkner | by which i mean setting up and maintaining the books, and filing the taxes and other legal forms for Jetro, NOVA, SECOSOL, and SJC | 11:23 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 11:23 |
| svaye | Yes jelkner | 11:23 |
| jelkner | did i answer your question? | 11:23 |
| svaye | Yes | 11:23 |
| jelkner | sweet | 11:23 |
| svaye | One more thing | 11:23 |
| thomasboimah | Yes total sense. You kind tell some the you can clean while your house is dirty | 11:23 |
| thomasboimah | *can* | 11:24 |
| jelkner | LOL | 11:24 |
| jelkner | i like that, thomasboimah | 11:24 |
| thomasboimah | Yes total sense. You can tell some that you can clean while your house is dirty | 11:24 |
| jelkner | what's the one more thing, svaye? | 11:24 |
| svaye | Jelkner Since you have your schedule now, is it possible for you to set up a meeting time with dcammue and I to discuss books | 11:24 |
| jelkner | definitely | 11:25 |
| jelkner | please reach out to him today to see if he is available tomorrow for us to plan | 11:25 |
| svaye | I will call Daniel for him to be in tomorrow mee | 11:25 |
| jelkner | thank you! | 11:25 |
| jelkner | okie dokie, i need to go | 11:25 |
| svaye | *tomorrow meeting for us to discuss the time | 11:25 |
| thomasboimah | Okay have a nice day jelkner | 11:26 |
| jelkner | let's continue tomorrow at this new regular time - 11:00 UTC | 11:26 |
| jelkner | right here on #jetrowebdev | 11:26 |
| svaye | Have a wonderful first day at work jelkner | 11:26 |
| jelkner | thank you, svaye | 11:26 |
| jelkner | see y | 11:26 |
| jelkner | you tomorrow | 11:26 |
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| thomasboimah | bye | 11:26 |
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| svaye | Bye everyone | 11:27 |
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