IRC log of #novawebdev for Saturday, 2026-09-19

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dcammuegood morning smohamud 10:21
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dcammueGood morning jelkner 10:50
jelknerGood morning dcammue 10:52
jelknerHow are you doing? It's been a bit since we chatted.10:53
dcammueyes10:53
dcammuehope all is well with you10:54
jelknerA bit stressful, but ok.10:54
dcammuebut i know you can not be free from overload on your plate ;-)10:54
jelknerlol, that's true10:55
jelknerat least while i'm alive ;-)10:55
thomasboimahGood morning jelkner and dcammue 10:55
dcammueGood morning thomasboimah 10:56
jelknerGood morning thomasboimah10:56
jelknerlooking forward to our business meeting after the stand up this morning10:57
dcammueyes10:57
jelknerquick question, thomasboimah and dcammue, do either of you have Signal accounts?10:57
dcammueyes10:58
thomasboimahYes10:58
dcammue+110:58
jelknerah, let's talk about that too10:58
thomasboimahjelkner, I did send you message in our NWD chatroom did you see it?10:58
dcammueGood morning zOnny 10:58
jelknerafter stand up thomasboimah 10:58
zOnnyGood morning comrades10:58
jelknerI am working each day to stay on top of my lesson prep, which is a serious challenge for me. Today I have a customer meeting with Michael Bowie, who cjones introduced me to and who needs work done on an web application for D.C. musicians. Blocking on getting a dev team in place.11:00
jelknerACTION done11:00
zOnnyHi team, this past week I haven't focused on any specific project, but I'm here and looking to help out wherever needed. No Blokers.11:00
zOnnyACTION done11:00
thomasboimahI have been working on Dr. Hubbard's projects, following the roadmap the team agreed on, and I will soon be finished with it so that I can jump on another project. No blockers.11:00
thomasboimahACTION done11:00
jelknerdcammue?11:00
jelknerthomasboimah, when do you move into the office apartment?11:01
thomasboimahAnd one more thing after jelkner read the message i send him on signal in our NWD chatroom and still want us to carry on with the migrating of the guncash db server to mayfirst I will get on it ASAP11:01
thomasboimahFriday11:01
jelknerSweet11:02
jelknerok, i do see your messages in Signal11:02
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jelknerso when i asked at the NWD meeting, Tony and Rachel said it is not hard to set up gnucash with May First11:03
jelknerthey have done so11:03
jelknerit that is the case, we should too11:03
jelknerwe lost dcammue11:03
jelknerhe's back11:03
thomasboimahzOnny, Good morning 11:03
jelknerdcammue, you didn't report in our stand up11:03
jkollieGood morning everyone 11:03
dcammuesorry for the drooped off11:03
jelknerjkollie, i'm *so* glad to see you11:04
dcammueyes11:04
thomasboimahGood morning jelkner 11:04
jelknerwhy?11:04
thomasboimahoops11:04
thomasboimahjkollie, *11:04
jelknerjkollie, we have an SJC board meeting tomorrow11:04
dcammuei have been making research on my bookkeeping 11:04
jelkneri didn't see an email reminder or an agenda11:04
dcammuethat's all and plan to make more to get comfortable with that job11:05
jelknerdcammue? i don't understand11:05
jkollieYeah 11:05
dcammuealso planed to resume my tutorial on nextcloud with Rachel11:05
jkollieI'll do that this Afternoon jelkner 11:05
thomasboimahjelkner, I understand it is easy to setup guncash on mayfirst, But i was think is the extra step it will require for the Bookkeeper11:06
dcammuejelkner, you don't understand what?11:06
jelknerthomasboimah, we are short of funds11:06
jelknerthat is causing me the most stress11:06
thomasboimahgot you11:06
jelknerlet's keep that in focus11:07
jelknerif we can do it on May First, and if NWD is already doing that11:07
jelknerwe should too11:07
thomasboimahI was looking at simplicity instead of cost11:07
thomasboimahgot you jelkner 11:07
jelkneryes, but having it done two different ways isn't really simpler11:07
jelknerok, let's dive into another discussion11:07
jelkneri asked zOnny to be here11:08
thomasboimahjelkner, I will work with dcammue on that before Wed.11:08
jelknerwhen i spoke to him yesterday, he told me he is feeling underutilized11:08
jelknerto have devs underutilized while business is not being handled is really bad!11:08
jelknerit's not how we succeed as a business!!11:08
jelknerthomasboimah, i'm glad you are finishing up with Dr. Hubbard's project11:09
jelknerthat proved to be not what i hoped it would be11:09
jelkneri hoped it would be a Django project that would help us build our core skill11:09
jelknerinstead, it was a big distraction that took you away for the better part of a month working on something totally different11:10
jelknerso now the question will be: will Dr. Hubbard be happy with the work you've done11:10
jelknerand will he feel his $500 contribution (which hasn't been made yet, btw) will be worth it?11:11
thomasboimah+111:11
thomasboimahvery much worth it11:11
jelknerthat is great news11:11
jelknerI plan to call him later today11:12
jelknerand we can talk about this, jkollie, at our meeting tomorrow11:12
jelknerso let's talk about next steps11:12
jelkneri just started making the $1.5K transfer to SJC bank account to pay smohamud 11:13
jelknerspeaking of whom ;-)11:13
jelknerglad he could make it11:13
jkollieAlright jelkner 11:13
jelknerthis is a real stretch financially for me11:13
jelknerwith my grandchild coming, i am incurring new expenses (like plane tickets to L.A. to visit) that are stretching me thin11:14
jelknerso we need to figure out whether we can soon generate enough resources to keep us going11:14
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jelknerdcammue, we need to think like business people11:14
jelknerwe need to set financial goals11:14
jelknerand evaluate our progress11:14
dcammueyes11:15
jelkneri need to let you know that we have been having some internal strife within NWD11:15
jelkneraround expanding our membership11:15
jelkneri will be taking a firm position that we need a minimum of $2.5K of non-jelkner revenue for 2 successive months before we should even consider expanding our co-op.11:16
jelkneri want to see if we can act like a business, look at that very real goal (it only funds smohamud, thomasboimah and dcammue)11:17
jelknerand carry it out successfully11:17
jallahkoleahGood morning, everyone11:17
jelknerwhen we meet that goal, we will really have $3.5K in revenue, since i will continue to be able to hire the co-op for $1K in work per month11:17
jelknerand i have enough projects on the stack to keep that going for a long while, with more to come i'm sure11:18
jelknerso, thomasboimah, what do you suggest we do about the underutilization of zOnny problem?11:18
jelknerthen we need to discuss mulbah11:19
jelknerthomasboimah, i'm waiting for your reply...11:20
jallahkoleahHow are you doing, jelkner?11:20
jelkneri'll let you know later, jallahkoleah, right now we have a meeting to conduct ;-)11:21
jallahkoleahOh, okay :-)11:22
jelknerlol11:22
jelknerthomasboimah?11:22
thomasboimahsince zOnny is feeling underutilized, I suggest we put him on revenue-generating and business-building work immediately.11:22
jelkner+1!11:22
jelknerso let's be more concrete, thomasboimah 11:22
jelknerand dcammue, you *really* need to start thinking like this!!11:22
thomasboimahsmohamud, how far with the requirement with cjs?11:23
jelkneryou should be making a list of the prospective new customers, and the ones that are waiting11:23
jelknerthomasboimah, do you have the bandwidth to work with zOnny on the musicians project?11:23
jelkneri have a meeting with michael today, as i mentioned11:24
dcammueso you are saying zOnny is not being given the opportunity to use his skills, jelkner ?11:24
thomasboimahI will be moving to the office Friday, so yes11:24
jelknerthat's what i'm saying dcammue 11:24
jelknersweet, thomasboimah 11:24
jelknerok, so when i meet with michael later today, i'll get an idea what he is looking for11:25
jelknerand tell him we have zOnny and thomasboimah as the dev team handling his project11:25
jelknerzOnny, thomasboimah do you agree with that?11:25
thomasboimahsweet!11:25
jelknerzOnny?11:25
zOnny+111:25
jelknercool11:26
jelknerok, that's a big help11:26
dcammueyes, that's fine then, zOnny can be put on revenue generation and business-building work11:26
jelknerdcammue, that's what we just agreed to do! ;-)11:26
jelknerat this point, smohamud has his hands full with NS AMS and CJS11:26
jelkneri am *really* hoping the former can be brought to the point where we receive the next $2.5K payment within the next month or 211:27
zOnnyIf we have potential partners waiting for projects on what we are best (Django) we should take them11:27
jelknersmohamud, i'll be making the $1.5K transfer to your account later today11:27
jelknerfor month 211:27
dcammuewow, that overflow for smohamud  if i may guess ;-)11:27
thomasboimahjelkner, we have gabriel, Jallah and mulbah here they can help smohamud 11:28
zOnnysome of these projects are Agile Development and they don't require complex development11:28
jelknerafter my conversation with michael, i'll talk to him about setting up a customer meeting with zOnny, thomasboimah, cjnoes and jelkner 11:29
jelknerok, next *very* important topic... Mulbah!11:29
zOnny+111:29
jelknerwe can't make plans with Mulbah without a clear understanding with Kwagei11:30
dcammueno11:30
jelknerdcammue, thomasboimah do either of you have any ideas about that?11:30
zOnnythomasboimah: I know you are busy with a project but I can get it started and then hand it to you when you feel ready to help with it11:31
thomasboimahACTION placing a call to him11:31
jelkneras the full time JWD members, you should make a appointment with them to talk about this11:31
jelknerare they ok with Mulbah doing paid work for JWD while being under contract with them?11:31
jelknerif not, we can't do it11:31
dcammueactually, what i believe is that, Mulbah being with Kwagei is a full time job, and i think Kwagei will not allow Mulbah to get into anther tech business11:32
dcammueand even sure that he did not let them know that he has a tech business that he is part of11:33
dcammueif he did so, i believe, Kwagei was going to wish to meet with us11:33
dcammuethat's my view11:33
jelkneri agree with you, dcammue 11:34
jelknerthat is my concern11:34
jelknerso you need to meet with them soon!11:34
jelknerotherwise, we can't make business plans with Mulbah11:34
jelknerso dcammue, please don't delay11:34
dcammueoh!11:34
dcammuewe got the business certificate on yesterday11:35
jelknernice!11:35
jelknerso now you can open up the credit union account?11:35
dcammueand we will be using the certificate to get the credit union account set up on monday11:35
jelknerexcellent!11:35
dcammue+111:36
jelknerok, i only have 2 more agenda items11:36
jelknerfirstly, i'm going to try to call either dcammue or thomasboimah on Signal11:36
jelknerwho should i try first?11:36
dcammueso before Tuesday to Wednesday, we will get things finally done11:36
jelknergreat, dcammue!11:37
dcammueanyone lol11:37
jelknerWell that was easy!11:40
dcammueso it was pretty super and easy to get through11:40
jelkneri don't know why i didn't think of that before11:40
jelknerlol11:40
jelknerso i check-in with smohamud and zOnny regularly11:41
jelkneri need to add you two to my list11:41
jelknerjkollie, do you have signal?11:41
jelknerit could be a nice way for us to talk when we want to brainstorm SJC plans11:41
jkollieYes I do 11:41
jelknerwhich, btw, is my last agenda item11:41
jelknerjkollie, let me try to call you...11:42
jkollieOkay 11:42
jelknerIt said "Janet Kollie will get a message request from you..."11:43
jelknerso it didn't go through11:43
jelknerYou have to accept my message request11:43
jelkneror we can't talk11:43
jelkneranyway, no rush11:43
jelknerwhat is more important is tomorrow's meeting11:44
jelkneri am so hoping we can move ahead with the sociocracy circles11:44
jelknerand get folks to volunteer to join and lead different circles11:44
jelknerwe've been taking months to get this in place11:44
jelknerin november we will receive the $25K grant11:45
jelknerhalf of that is for laptop purchase11:45
jelknerbut the other half is to hire some of our students (with help from Jetro) to build the tools we need to run the project11:45
jelknerso we need to be ready for that!11:46
dcammuesure11:46
jelknerprogress, jkollie, it now rings, but you didn't pick up11:47
jelknerdon't worry about it now11:47
jelknertoo many things to do11:47
jelknerare you getting me about the board meeting tomorrow?11:47
jelknerjkollie?11:48
jkollieYes 11:48
jelknergreat11:48
jelkneri look forward to reading your email later today11:48
jelknerok, that's all i have11:48
jelkneranyone else have anything before i go?11:48
zOnnynot from me11:49
jelknerjallahkoleah, i'm doing well, but i'm a bit stressed these days11:49
jelknerhow about you?11:49
dcammue-1 for dcammue11:49
jallahkoleahI'm good as well11:50
jelknerjkollie, i should say "excited and stressed"11:50
jelknersince they are two sides of the same coin11:50
jelkneri'm excited that we are finally really launching our business11:50
jelknerand stressed that we do it successfully ;-)11:50
jallahkoleahZOnny, do you have anything you think I can help with?11:50
jelknerok all, let me know when you want me back here again11:51
jelkneri'll do the same with you, calling a business meeting when i find another customer11:51
zOnnyjelkner: yes11:51
jelknerthat's all for now...  I'll see my SJC comrades in our board meeting tomorrow11:51
zOnnywe need customers to survive11:51
jelkner+100000000!!!!11:52
jelknerand, zOnny, we need to deliver value to them!11:52
zOnnyI know we could get busy easily but good coordination can help us manage them smootly11:52
jelknerindeed11:52
jelknerthat is the art we need to learn, zOnny 11:53
jelknerdcammue will have a crucial role to play in that11:53
jelknerwe need to help him learn to "manage the office"11:53
jelknersince he is our full time person available to do that11:53
jelknera year from now, i am imagining meetings lead by dcammue, where he tells us which projects we have going, who is working on them, and how much revenue they are generating11:54
zOnnyjelkner: I also known that I cannot bring full time commitment into this, but I can do my best on the weekends to work on them 11:55
jelknerwe look over our monthly revenue reports11:55
jelknerand discuss in our stand-up meetings how busy each of us are11:55
jelknerand make plans accordingly11:55
zOnnyjelkner: can you check with your Brother about the last invoice we have sent?11:55
zOnnyjelkner: to AR Traffic11:56
jelkneryes, i will do that11:56
dcammuesure, so i need to me inform of all project and project meeting to followup11:56
jelknerthanks for the reminder, zOnny 11:56
jelknerok, gotta go11:56
jelknersee y'all soon!11:56
jelknerACTION signs off11:56
zOnnyjelkner: see you11:56
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jallahkoleah_ZOnny?11:57
zOnnyalright Jetro team, I hope you all are doing well11:58
jallahkoleah_smohamud, how are you?11:58
jallahkoleah_for me, I'm cool :-)11:58
thomasboimahI am good zOnny and you?11:59
zOnnyjallahkoleah_: how is your setup, is you computer working good11:59
zOnnythomasboimah: I'm good12:00
jallahkoleah_thomasboimah, I was going through the git submodule you introduce to me and I found it pretty cool working with it.... I'm reading the documentation now12:00
jallahkoleah_Yea, ZOnny12:00
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jallahkoleah_ZOnny, you've been busy for times now I guess :-)12:01
zOnnythomasboimah: I will take care of the new customers until you find yourself ready to help12:01
thomasboimahzOnny, I am not that busy now, zOnny, since the work for the development roadmap the team came up with for Dr. Hubbard's project just remains a little, and I will be finishing it soon.12:02
zOnnythomasboimah: I understand but in case you are, I mentioned Jeff that I can get the new customers started since projects take long anyway.12:06
thomasboimahokay12:06
zOnnythomasboimah: I do want Novawebdev generation the revenue we have as a goal12:06
zOnny**generating12:07
zOnnythomasboimah: I'm already Graduated from Uopeople12:07
thomasboimahCongratulation zOnny 12:07
jallahkoleah_Congratulations12:08
zOnnythomasboimah: thank you12:08
zOnnyjallahkoleah_: thank you12:08
jallahkoleah_You're welcome, ZOnny :-)12:09
zOnnyjallahkoleah_: It was a long journey there but it finally happened, I'm really excited about it12:09
zOnnyjallahkoleah_: for now, I don't think I have any tasks for you12:10
zOnnyjallahkoleah_: have you pull the novawebdev branch?12:11
jallahkoleah_I understand bro, I'm also in the same case even though I haven't graduate yet12:11
zOnnyjallahkoleah_: Here in the U.S. is a minimal requirement to get employed by an organization 12:12
zOnnyjallahkoleah_: glad you are learning about git submmodules12:14
zOnnythomasboimah: thanks for helping jallahkoleah_ 12:15
thomasboimahAlright12:15
dcammuewow!congratulation zOnny 12:18
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zOnnydcammue: thank you12:19
mulbahGood morning to all12:21
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dcammueGood morning mulbah 12:22
zOnnyalright team, I will catch up with you all tomorrow12:22
zOnnymulbah: good morning12:22
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dcammuewe needed some information from you mulbah 12:23
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mulbahokay12:23
mulbahConcerning what12:24
dcammuewe want to know if Kwagei is in the note that you are apart of a tech business12:24
dcammuethat you have a business that you are owner of12:25
mulbahNo12:25
mulbahwhy ask??12:25
dcammueis it that they do not allow you to work for them and work for other tech business or be part of a tech business?12:28
dcammuejelkner sent an email concerning this12:29
dcammueyou can check it up12:29
dcammuewe want to make a business plan with you mulbah, that why we want to get these information12:29
dcammueso we do not run through your stuff12:30
mulbahsend me the link for the mayfirst email I'm on different computer right now let me check the email12:32
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dcammuehttps://roundcube.dev.mayfirst.org/12:35
mulbahI just read the email12:42
mulbahAnd my contract with kwagei don't stop me from working on other projects for any tech companies 12:43
mulbahJetroweb is where I from12:44
mulbahThe reason I with Kwagei is 12:44
mulbah1. Growth 2. To be able to attend to somethings about myself12:45
mulbahbro you know we are growing up and we have alot of things to do (like provide for yourself, build yourself up and much more)12:46
mulbahand you know I need money for that I have all the chance to work with jetroweb remotely even if they aren't paying me 12:47
dcammueproviding for yourself is our concern but what matter is that, if they was not going to allow you or lead to quitting you from Kwagei. that was our main concern12:48
dcammuebut if it is okay we meet them, is fine12:48
mulbahEverybody are moving their self  forward some people are going to school others are doing business and so on12:49
dcammueokay, i will schedule a meeting with jeff so we can better discuss this12:50
dcammuethanks12:50
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mulbahI don't have problem with the team meeting them or Jeff but the issue here is if a little project daily or small things go wrong they will always point it to jetroweb 12:52
mulbahYou know how Liberian are like bro12:52
mulbahNot everybody like you and I don't ppl that hate me this might just make them find more reason to say things that might make me look ugly in fort the company more over Kwagei is not the place I will be for ever Jetroweb is my own it's where I have voice12:55
mulbahBut jetroweb is not in the position now of supporting all of it members 12:56
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