IRC log of #novawebdev for Wednesday, 2026-05-27

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reslthomasboimah: I've registered resl and identified as resl. Is it really that the IDENTIFY part I have to do every time I use IRC? I will see how to do that permanently if I can...14:31
reslI'm noticing in BT that if a partner is made in one org, it is then not allowed to be used in another org, and the other org is not able to create that partner. I will ask Zonny to help with this14:37
zOnnyHi resl 14:43
zOnnyresl: yes partners cannot be relate to different orgs14:43
thomasboimahHELP ACCESS14:43
zOnnyresl: It helps to scope org db modeling14:44
zOnnyresl: what is your user story?14:45
thomasboimahHELP14:46
thomasboimahresl, you are now permanent OP here in #novawebdev channel and #sjcompute channel14:50
thomasboimahHello zOnny !14:50
zOnnythomasboimah: Good morning14:51
reslzOnny: User story is NWD is the org with partner SJC, but SJC is listed as partner under Jetro, so for example, Sahnun's assignment to work on the SJC website is under Jetro org, but it is also/primarily NWD where he is doing that work15:04
reslthomasboimah: Okay, got it.15:06
zOnnyresl: SJC is Jetro's Partner 15:17
zOnnyresl: Sahnon can work as a Developer for Jetro15:19
zOnny**Sahnun15:19
zOnnyresl: unless we also want to make SJC a partner of NWD as well15:20
zOnnyresl: all the labor work for our current clients were meant to be assigned to the Jetro dev team15:21
reslzOnny: I think that our clients are our clients, and we outsource the work to Jetro, so we are Jetro's client.15:24
reslNWD contracts work from Jetro, and NWD clients contract work from NWD, as far as I understand the workflow.15:25
zOnnyresl: this is a situation of which partner belongs to whom15:29
reslzOnny: partner = client since partners get invoiced15:30
zOnnyresl: yup15:32
zOnnyresl: we need to figure out the worflow 15:32
reslzOnny: since SJC is a nonprofit that gives grants, I guess they don't need to be considered a client, although working on SJC website is technically product/service, and SJC gives grants to both Jetro and NWD, so should be able to be partner to both15:32
reslzOnny: for now I'll just categorize the SJC site project under the Jetro partner for NWD15:35
zOnnyresl: I think you have a clear understanding about SJC role15:56
zOnnyresl: how about Secosol?15:57
reslzOnny: I have a meeting for the next 1.5 hr - SECOSOL is similar - sometimes NWD is working for SECOSOL to do website work, and sometimes SECOSOL is giving charitable grant to invest in NWD cooperative business.16:01
reslin the case that NWD is doing SECOSOL website, we hire Jetro devs to do some of that work so we can then pay them to do it16:02
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zOnnyresl:so who invoice to Secosol or SJC?16:03
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reslNWD invoices SECOSOL when SECOSOL agrees to pay for website work. NWD contracts some Jetro devs to help. Jetro invoices NWD for doing that work for us.16:05
reslNWD invoices SJC when SJC agrees to pay for website work. NWD contracts some Jetro devs to help. Jetro invoices NWD for doing that work for us. 16:05
reslIf Sahnun is doing that website work as a member of SJC, no one gets invoiced and no one gets paid for it.16:06
zOnnyresl: thanks for the explanation16:08
zOnnyresl: Jetro is like a subcontrator of NWD?16:09
resl(If SJC raises money and there is enough to go around, presumably the board will be able to allocate those funds at least partly to support the livelihoods of the member owners of the org, but you know how it is... sometimes there is no money so we all just keep volunteering in hopes we achieve our broader social goals.)16:09
reslzOnny: Yeah. Because there are legal barriers for small cooperatives to be international. If there weren't, Jetro and NWD would be one international cooperative. But because of the barriers, we have to operate as separate entities in an exchange relationship with each other. If Jetro got a client, that would be Jetro's partner, and if they needed help from NWD devs, they could pay us to do some of the work as subcontractors, or some16:13
reslBut because of the state of the world, it is generally the case that customers are found by NWD, and then the work may be outsourced to Jetro devs if it is in their skillsets, and then NWD pays Jetro for doing that work, from the money the customer pays.16:15
zOnnyresl: I see16:19
zOnnyresl: Are we all in the same page?16:19
zOnnyresl: it really start making sense to me 16:29
zOnnyresl: unless others think differently16:30
zOnnyresl: or I was the only one that wasn't clear at all :D16:32
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reslre: what Zonny said above for the record, it was unclear to several people from what I gathered talking with folks17:02
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reslarya_:  Hey Arya :)21:41
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