IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2026-03-08

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thomasboimahGood morning jelkner 10:51
jelknerGood morning thomasboimah!10:52
jelknerAnd it is now morning in Liberia, not noon ;-)10:52
thomasboimahyes10:52
jelknerGood morning dcammue!10:54
jelknerWhat is the status of the database backup?10:54
dcammueGood morning thomasboimah. jelkner 10:55
jelknerDid you get it done?10:55
dcammueIt is done10:55
jelknerYou rock!10:55
dcammuezOnny and thomasboimah did it yesterday10:55
dcammueYeah10:55
jelknerI will re-image that server today.10:55
dcammueOkay10:56
jelknerI needed that ready for tomorrow, so that is a big help!10:56
dcammueYeah10:56
jelknerthomasboimah, i'm reaching out to the contact at CJS.10:56
dcammueNo need to do re-entries10:56
jelknerI'm going to propose to her that CJS join May First, and let us move the website to hosting there.10:57
jelknerI have a strange issue with that server too.10:57
jelknerI can access the server, but my dual-factor authentication to my personal account stopped working.10:58
jelknerVery annoying!10:58
jelknerI've got so much to do, i don't have time to be putting out fires all day :-(10:58
jelknerYesterday i attended the Next System Night event and had several conversations relavent to our work. Today i'll be working on UoPeople assignments and hopefully setting up the lighttpd + php-cgi + postresql server and consolidating a few others. Blocking on TOTP access to my personal Linode account.11:00
jelknerACTION done11:00
thomasboimahYesterday I worked with zOnny to back up the GnuCash Postgres databases. Today I will continue working with zOnny on BT. No blockers.11:00
thomasboimahACTION done11:00
jelkneraha11:00
jelknerzOnny, i was just about to say it looks like your alarm didn't work with the new time ;-)11:00
zOnnyjelkner: almost :)11:01
jelknerzOnny, i'll be giving you a call later this morning11:01
jelknerafter my wife wakes up11:01
jelknerprobably in 2 or 3 hours11:01
jelknermore likely 2 ;-)11:01
jelkneranyway, i want to update you on a few things11:02
zOnnyjelkner: sure11:02
jelknerfrom the event i attended last night11:02
zOnnycall to my office phone11:02
jelkner?11:02
zOnnyjelkner: same number11:02
jelknerlol11:03
jelkneri only have one number for you11:03
jelknerin fact, i'd like to try to get a quick jitsi meeting together with you, tony, and kei11:03
zOnnyjelkner: that could be better11:03
zOnnyYesterday, Thomas and I backed up Jeff's Postgrest gnucash vm, and we are progressing with the TDD in Business Tracker. No Blockers.11:04
zOnnyACTION done11:04
zOnnyjelkner: your postgres server where it is hosted?11:05
zOnnyit is in your Linode personal account?11:05
jelkneryes11:05
jelknerhold on, i'm adding a jitsi meeting to the calendar11:06
jelknerand then sending out  text11:06
zOnnyjelkner: got it11:06
zOnnyGood morning thomasboimah and dcammue 11:06
thomasboimahGood morning zOnny!11:06
dcammue Good morning zOnny 11:10
zOnnythomasboimah: have you hear from Daniel and the jetro website?11:15
thomasboimahzOnny, 11:15
thomasboimahthe jetro website is now up and running: jetrowebdevelopment.org11:16
thomasboimahthe updated on i meant11:16
zOnnythomasboimah: nice!11:16
zOnnythomasboimah: is the codebase hosted in another gitlab repo?11:17
thomasboimahit is on github but we are planning to move it the LO11:17
thomasboimahI guess i will have to work with gabriel on that11:18
thomasboimahhttps://github.com/tboimah/jetrowebdevelopment11:19
zOnnythomasboimah: I see11:19
thomasboimah*to*11:20
zOnnythomasboimah: thanks for the update11:21
thomasboimahYeah, thanks to Jetro team11:21
zOnnythomasboimah: is this hosted in the jetro mayfirst membership?11:24
thomasboimahNot really it is hosted on github11:25
thomasboimahsince it is a static site11:25
thomasboimahjust, html, css and javascript11:25
zOnnythomasboimah: ah11:25
thomasboimahMulbah also contributed to this site alot11:26
zOnnythomasboimah: great11:29
jelknerzOnny, did you see my text?11:30
zOnnyjelkner: yes11:30
jelknergreat11:30
jelkneri figured out the Linode problem too11:30
jelknerit's not TOTP anymore apparently11:31
jelknerit sends me an email11:31
jelknerthat's why the TOTP code i was entering didn't work11:31
jelknerthomasboimah, dcammue just an FYI for you about my conversation last night with Dr. Anthony Cook (https://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/anthony-e-cook/).11:32
jelknerAnthony had been doing some work in Liberia, and he was interested to hear about our project.11:33
dcammueGreat11:33
jelknerI'm hoping to visit him in his office at the beginning of April during my spring break.11:33
jelknerJust an FYI for now, but hopefully good things can come from this in the future.11:33
thomasboimahthat's great to know11:34
dcammueIs he a lawer?11:35
jelknerYes, he is a law professor11:36
jelknerbut i know him because he is involved in the Solidarity Economy11:36
jelknerhttps://www.democracycollaborative.org/anthony-cook11:36
jelknerI first met him at this event: https://nextsystem.gmu.edu/events/1673011:37
jelknerI want to talk more with him about this project:11:38
jelknerhttps://www.law.georgetown.edu/crede/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2023/01/Rosies-Intro-Summary.pdf11:38
jelknerAnyway, just an FYI for now.11:39
dcammueOkay11:39
jelknerzOnny, i'm going to log off to work on the server11:39
jelkneri'll see you at noon11:39
zOnnyjelkner: see you at noon11:39
jelknerdcammue, i'll hopefully have everything ready by tomorrow at our stand-up meeting11:40
dcammueThat great to work with an Lawer in the future11:40
jelknerso we can ask thomasboimah to restore the GnuCash databases11:40
dcammueOkay jelkner 11:40
jelknerand start talking about setting up our books again11:40
dcammueThanks11:41
jelkneroklie doklie, have a product day y'all!11:41
dcammueYou too11:41
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zOnnyalright thomasboimah I will push some tests for BT11:43
thomasboimahokay11:43
zOnnythomasboimah invoices is almost covered12:02
jelkneri'm back with a quick (hopefully) question12:09
jelkneri have a server that used to host my weblog12:09
jelknerthat is now on may first12:10
jelknerso i don't think i need that old server anymore, right?12:10
jelknerit's funny, only jelkner, cjones, and mattva01 have accounts on it12:10
zOnnyjelkner: 12:11
zOnnyyes12:11
jelknersweet, i'll take it down12:11
zOnnyHave you verified it?12:11
jelknerabsolutely12:11
jelknerjust did a host command on weblog.elkner.net12:12
jelknerand it isn't on that server12:12
zOnnyjelkner: It doesn't hurt the pg_dump command12:12
zOnnyjelkner: you good then12:12
jelknerno pg on it12:13
zOnnyit is just sqlite?12:14
zOnnyhttps://weblog.elkner.net/12:14
jelkner+112:16
jelknerbut weblog.elkner.net is now on may first12:17
jelkneri just deleted it12:17
zOnnyI like your last blog: It's Time for NOVA Web Development to Get Agile!12:17
jelknerI will begin blogging again soon.12:17
jelknerWhen i get to Liberia at the very latest, but probably before.12:17
zOnnyYour blog design seems familiar :)12:18
zOnnyACTION goes to run some tests and make more coffee12:20
zOnnythomasboimah: are you here12:51
thomasboimahyes12:51
zOnnythomasboimah: just for curiosity is there a reason to remove the Report an Issue from the sidebar in the tracker.sjcompute.org?13:03
thomasboimahI did not remove anything from the sidebar13:05
thomasboimahzOnny, 13:13
zOnnythomasboimah: yes?13:13
thomasboimahDid you notice that the Novaweb site been down?13:14
zOnnythomasboimah: how?13:14
zOnnycan you check on it13:14
thomasboimahDid you take it down because you are working on it?13:14
zOnnyI'm working on the tests for BT13:14
zOnnyI'm not doing anything in the mayfirst 13:15
thomasboimahBut the novaweb site been down for awhile now13:15
thomasboimahlet me check13:15
thomasboimahand see if i can get it running13:16
zOnnythomasboimah: let me know if you need my assistance13:16
thomasboimahOkay zOnny 13:16
zOnnythomasboimah: it would not be helpful if both of us looking into it13:16
thomasboimahI can look into it if that's okay13:17
zOnnythomasboimah: Does anyone else have access to the tracker.sjcompute.org13:17
zOnnythomasboimah: go for it13:17
zOnnyI'm pushing some tests for BT for now13:17
jelknerzOnny, thomasboimah got a minute?13:26
thomasboimahsure13:27
zOnnyjelkner: yes?13:28
jelknerthomasboimah, try sshing into webschool.sjcompute.org the public key you gave me yesterday has already been installed and your password copied from that machine13:28
thomasboimahI'm in13:29
jelknersweet13:29
jelknerplease make an account for dcammue on this machine13:29
thomasboimahOkay13:29
thomasboimahon it now13:29
jelknerpostgresql.sjcompute.org still maps to it as well13:29
jelknerzOnny's account is there already13:30
jelkneri'm about to email the 3 of you with another little task13:30
zOnnyACTION goes to check if that is True;13:30
zOnnyACTION gets it False;13:32
thomasboimahjelkner, 13:33
zOnnyACTION gets: Host key verification failed13:33
thomasboimahwhat is my password for user tboimah on this:  webschool.sjcompute.org13:34
jelknersame passwd thomasboimah 13:34
jelkneri copied the entry from /etc/shadow13:35
jelknerdon't know what the password is13:35
jelknerbut it is the one you set13:35
jelkneror did you not set it?13:35
thomasboimahjust a sec13:35
jelknerzOnny?13:36
zOnnyjelkner: ?13:37
jelknerwhat did you get false?13:37
zOnnyjelkner: postgresql.sjcompute.org ssh13:37
jelknerhmmm...13:37
jelknerthat doesn't make sense13:38
jelknersince thomasboimah was able to login13:38
jelknerok, let's chat for a minute about some Jetro billable tasks13:38
zOnnyjelkner: probably the VM doesn't like my ssh anymore13:38
dcammueOkay13:39
zOnnyjelkner: the Let's encrypt task?13:39
jelknerwait, one thing at a time13:40
jelknerit doesn't like your ssh key because known_hosts has an old entry13:40
jelknerit should give you the command to remove that13:40
jelkneralternatively, you can just use webschool.sjcompute.org, which is the same machine13:41
jelknerok, now for the tasks13:41
jelknerand listen up Jetro, we need y'all to learn to configure webservers and database servers like this13:42
jelknerif you are going to be a web dev business13:42
jelkneryou need to be able to do it, and do it well13:42
jelknerkeep track of your time13:42
jelkneri want to be billed for tasks when i request them from you like this13:42
jelkneri'm the customer here, you're the pros13:42
jelknerso, in addition to getting https setup13:43
jelknerwe need to harden the machine just a little bit13:43
jelknerwe are putting way to much public information in this chat right now13:43
jelknerthese machines don't have mission critical services13:43
jelknerbut we don't want spammers and such to access them for nefarious purposes13:44
jelknerso, see if you can learn to set it up so that only ssh key login is permitted13:44
jelknerdisable password login13:44
jelknercan you do that?13:45
jelknerand can you setup the cert for https?13:45
jelknerso that it automatically renews too13:45
jelknerotherwise it will expire in 3 months13:46
jelknerand we won't be able to access webpages on it13:46
jelknerwell, is this a job for Jetro?13:46
dcammue+113:46
jelknerthomasboimah, zOnny and i were talking yesterday13:46
jelknerand dcammue, this goes for you too13:46
jelkneryou need to help thomasboimah train the other jetro members13:47
dcammue+113:47
jelknerso that he is spreading his knowledge13:47
jelknerJetro needs depth of skills to be successful13:47
jelknerwe don't want single point of failure issues13:47
dcammueWe will take on the task13:47
jelknergreat13:48
jelknerthanks comrades!13:48
jelknerok, back to work for me13:48
jelknermission accomplished on reimaging the server13:48
jelknernow we just need to configure it13:48
thomasboimahjelkner, 13:48
dcammueThanks for the great work13:48
jelknerdcammue, you can also restore the database13:48
dcammue+113:49
zOnnycrontab job and sshd_config13:49
jelknerso you and i can resume our GnuCash testing13:49
dcammueSure 13:49
thomasboimahjelkner, My bad but i will need your help with this: thomasboimah> what is my password for user tboimah on this:  webschool.sjcompute.org13:49
thomasboimah<jelkner> same passwd thomasboimah 13:49
jelknerok, my UoP professor hates me, so i need to get to work or he will fail me :-(13:49
jelknermy classmates are with me13:49
jelknerbut the prof doesn't like my politics13:50
jelkneroh well13:50
jelknerand we have our group project beginning this week13:50
jelknerso i have to get back to work on that13:50
jelknerzOnny, see you in a few hours13:50
thomasboimah jelkner, My bad but i will need your help with this: thomasboimah> what is my password for user tboimah on this:  webschool.sjcompute.org13:50
thomasboimah<thomasboimah> <jelkner> same passwd thomasboimah13:50
zOnnyjelkner: see you13:50
zOnnyjelkner: registration is open13:51
jelknerwait zOnny, do you have your password set?13:51
zOnnyjelkner: on it13:51
zOnnyone sec13:51
zOnnyjelkner: the psswrd doesn't work13:53
jelknerok, that means we didn't deal with that on the server yesterday13:53
jelknerhold on13:53
jelknercheck your email13:55
zOnnyI'm in13:56
zOnnyjelkner: thanks13:56
jelknerthat's on both machines13:57
jelknerso reset it13:57
jelknerok, anything else before i go?13:57
zOnnyjelkner: both machines?13:57
jelkneryes, the one yesterday13:57
jelknerand the new one today13:58
zOnnyjelkner: I used the one from yesterday ssh13:58
jelkneri'm confused zOnny 13:58
jelknerthere are two machines13:59
jelknernow13:59
jelknerone on hetzner13:59
jelknerone a linode13:59
jelkneryesterday hetzner13:59
jelknertoday linode13:59
zOnnyah :D13:59
zOnnyjelkner: now we are talking13:59
jelknergreat13:59
jelknerok, gotta get back to UoP or i will fail! :-(14:00
jelknersee you in a few hours on jitsi zOnny 14:00
thomasboimahz14:00
thomasboimahzOnny, 14:00
zOnnyjelkner: just try not to be too polictical at UoP14:00
jelknerif i don't get to express my politics, i will go insane14:00
jelknerit's only because they have let me get away with it until now that i've been able to keep going14:01
zOnnyjelkner: I understand it 14:01
jelknermuch of what we learn in MBA makes me sick14:01
jelknerso i need to fight back14:01
jelkneror my soul will dry up and i will spiritually die :-(14:01
zOnnyjelkner: I just hope the political views do not affect your grading14:02
jelkneranyway, my classmates have been great14:02
jelkneras long as i can pull a B-, i'm happy14:02
zOnnyjelkner: +114:02
jelknerokie dokie, back to the struggle...14:02
zOnnyjelkner: which week is this one?14:02
jelkner614:03
zOnny2 more14:03
jelkneronly 2 more after this14:03
jelkneryup14:03
jelknerbye for now...14:03
jelknerACTION signs off14:03
zOnnythe pain will be over soon :D14:03
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thomasboimahzOnny, can you help reset my passwrd?14:03
zOnnythomasboimah: which psswrd?14:03
zOnnythe webschool?14:03
thomasboimahyes14:04
zOnnythomasboimah: do you have a psswrd prompt?14:04
zOnnyor host key failed?14:04
thomasboimahNo14:05
thomasboimahI need to get my psswrd to be about to create account for dcammue 14:05
thomasboimah*able*14:05
zOnnythomasboimah: hold on14:09
zOnnythomasboimah: let me know if that works14:15
thomasboimahyeah thanks, it works14:15
zOnnycool14:16
zOnnyACTION steps away for 5min14:16
zOnnythomasboimah: Did you find the issue for the novawbdev?14:25
zOnnyGood morning anthony_p 14:26
thomasboimahyes14:27
thomasboimahgunicorn stop running because the schedule job was disable14:28
thomasboimahHi anthony_p 14:28
anthony_phi14:28
zOnnythomasboimah: great14:35
zOnnythomasboimah: Do you have any questions with the new task?14:48
thomasboimahNon for now14:48
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zOnnyalright thomasboimah 15:44
zOnnyI have push the tests in the unit_tests branch15:44
zOnnyyou should be able to pull them out15:45
zOnnythomasboimah: Do you have some tests that you like to push?15:45
thomasboimahNot really all good15:47
zOnnythomasboimah: ok15:51
zOnnythomasboimah: I will be stepping away at 12 for my jitsi meeting15:52
thomasboimahnp15:53
zOnnythomasboimah: Any question just let me know15:53
thomasboimahokay15:53
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zOnnythomasboimah: Does anyone else have access to the tracker.sjcompute.org?15:56
jelknerzOnny, kei, tony and i are in the jitsi15:57
zOnnyjelkner: Welcome back15:57
jelknerwaiting only for you.15:57
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zOnnythomasboimah: I'm going to remove the servers app from the core BT16:38
zOnnythomasboimah: The goal of it will be to make it a business feature rather than a priority 16:40
thomasboimahi see16:41
zOnnythomasboimah: We need to follow some practices we have done in LO16:42
zOnnythomasboimah: enabling developers to create custom apps16:42
zOnnythomasboimah: Due that tasks app seem to be on the way16:43
zOnnythomasboimah: my goal is to enable a place where they will live16:43
zOnnyan incubator place before they hatch :D16:45
thomasboimah:-)16:45
zOnnyI want to bring it to your attention so you are aware of it16:48
thomasboimahOkay16:48
zOnnythomasboimah: also let the students know where to commit16:49
thomasboimahYou think the unit_tests is where they should commit?16:50
zOnnythomasboimah: no16:50
thomasboimahWhere?16:50
zOnnythomasboimah: unit_tests are for testing the core apps16:50
zOnnywhich I'm going to delete it today16:51
zOnnymeaning that I'm planning in merging it to master16:51
thomasboimahyeah i get that16:51
zOnnythomasboimah: hold on16:52
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zOnnythomasboimah: sorry I'm still dealing with some tests17:21
zOnnythomasboimah: are you there18:01
thomasboimahyeah18:01
zOnnymerge has been completed18:02
thomasboimahThanks18:02
zOnnyunit_tests branch has been deleted18:02
zOnnyI forgot to keep it :D18:02
thomasboimahSo which branch Jeff's student is going to be working with?18:03
zOnnythomasboimah: I haven't move things yet18:06
zOnnythomasboimah: working on it18:07
zOnnythomasboimah: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/business-tracker-customization/custom-apps18:31
zOnnyThe custom apps should live there18:31
zOnnyalright thomasboimah 18:37
zOnnyI'm calling it a day18:37
thomasboimahOkay, thanks for today18:38
zOnnysee you next weekend18:38
zOnnyACTION signs off for the day18:38
thomasboimahOkay18:38
thomasboimahI will18:38
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