IRC log of #novawebdev for Saturday, 2026-01-17

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zOnnyLast weekend, I completed my school exams. Thomas and I had the opportunity to review the migrations and are gradually transitioning our current Nova Web Development sites to Mayfirst. My main focus this week is optimizing LibreOrganize, which means that to provide OMS to our future partners, we need to ensure it meets their needs. No blockers12:00
zOnnyACTION done12:00
zOnnyGood morning everyone!12:00
zOnnyGood afternoon?12:00
thomasboimahGood morning zOnny 12:00
zOnnyHave the stand up meetings move to 2pm?12:01
zOnnyI was reading yesterday's log12:01
zOnnyI was a little bit confused12:01
zOnnyI'm clear about how thomasboimah has described to me 12:02
thomasboimahsomething like that zOnny 12:03
gabriel_jetroGreetings everyone 12:03
zOnnyGood morning gabriel_jetro 12:03
gabriel_jetroHow're you zOnny 12:04
svayeGood morning zOnny 12:04
jkollieGood morning zonny and good afternoon all12:04
zOnnydoing good12:04
zOnnygood morning jetro team12:04
gabriel_jetroSame here 12:04
zOnnyI'm excited to see that the jetro team is moving forward12:05
zOnnyI'm also excited to see that we have a new partner12:06
gabriel_jetroWow that's great news 12:07
zOnnyI was excited to see that ANCCFoundation is moving forward and they are our first partners that would like Nova Web Dev services12:08
zOnnyMy main goal for this project is to make it sure it meets their needs12:08
gabriel_jetroThat's amazing 12:08
gabriel_jetroWill Jeff be here today?12:09
gabriel_jetrozOnny: 12:09
zOnnyFrom my past experiences, We need to make sure user engagement with the site is smooth12:10
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zOnnyI think Jeff got confused with the stand up meeting12:10
gabriel_jetroOkay 12:10
zOnny As far I understand from yesterday's blog. He is assuming me moved it to 2pm instead12:11
zOnny*logs*12:11
gabriel_jetroThat was for the class meeting 12:11
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zOnny?12:11
gabriel_jetroYeah, we had meeting with him yesterday with his Django class 12:12
thomasboimahI told Jeff that we hold our standup meeting constant, but for the work session for the team we will come back 2:00pm zOnny time and 19:00 our time12:13
thomasboimah*dev*12:13
thomasboimahBut i think get confuse12:13
thomasboimah*he*12:13
zOnnyright12:13
thomasboimahzOnny, can you please give him a call to make him understand12:14
zOnnyOn his yerterday's logs reply he was assuming we did moved the stand up meeting as well12:14
gabriel_jetroI think he got confused 12:15
thomasboimahOkay zOnny I guess will have to check back by 2:00pm EST, 19:00 UTC12:15
gabriel_jetroBut it wasn't what tboimah meant 12:15
thomasboimahfor our work session12:16
zOnnyI did text him12:16
zOnnynot sure he is awake yet12:17
thomasboimahOkay zOnny I will come back by 2:00Pm your time for our work session12:17
zOnnyok thomasboimah 12:17
zOnnyI think Jeff will aslo be there12:17
thomasboimahACTION loging off to come back 2:00 pm EST, 19:00 UTC12:18
zOnnyLet's be clear to him about the schedule12:18
thomasboimahokay12:18
gabriel_jetroSure12:18
zOnnysee you at 2pm everyone12:18
zOnnyACTION signing off until 2pm12:19
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jelknerLOL, jelkner sure did get confused by his conversation with tboihmah yesterday!14:19
jelknerhe thought the stand up meeting today was at 2 pm14:19
jelknersince it seems we will have a meeting today at 2 pm (EST, which is 19:00 UTC)14:20
jelknerwe should discuss our meeting schedule first14:20
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zOnnyHi jelkner 15:04
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jelknerhello zOnny!15:43
jelknerwe are meeting at 2 pm our time, right?15:43
jelknersorry for the confusion15:43
jelknerThomas told me you had changed the meeting time.15:44
zOnnyyes15:44
jelkneri'm in my classroom helping students study for their c++ certification15:45
zOnnyare you still at ACC??15:45
jelknerwhat do you mean by "still"?15:45
zOnnyc++ certification?15:45
jelknerdo you mean do i still teach here?15:46
zOnnyyou did text me this morning saying you were on you way there15:46
jelkneroh, right15:46
jelkneryes, i'm here from 9 am to 12 noon15:46
jelknerin Room 51215:46
zOnnyah15:46
jelknerin this course: https://ict.gracehopper.center/f25/courses/csc222/15:47
jelkneri use c++15:47
jelknerand have the students take this exam: https://cppinstitute.org/cpe15:47
jelkneri've been working on this book: https://openbookproject.net/thinkcs/cpp/15:47
jelknerto use with that course15:48
jelknerrelated to that, zOnny, we need a designer on our crew15:48
zOnnysure15:48
jelkneri love nana dearly, but she is *so* hard to communicate with!15:48
jelknerit may be that she used social media most that i don't use15:49
jelknerwhatsapp, for example15:49
zOnnyShe is15:49
jelknerbut if you ever see her15:49
jelknerif you have a way to communicate with her15:49
zOnnyshe text me sometimes but just to say hi15:49
jelknercould you please ask her if she would like to still work with us?15:49
jelknerlook at the book15:49
jelknershe was the illustrator15:49
jelknershe does such beautiful work15:49
zOnnyright15:50
jelkneri would like to continue working with her on that15:50
jelknerbut if i can't, i need to find another illustrator15:50
jelknerwe (NOVA and Jetro) will need one15:50
jelknerin any case15:50
zOnnyI'm trying to connect with her15:50
jelknerawesome!15:50
jelknerif she is interested, tell her we are back in business and definitely need a top notich designer like her15:51
jelkners/notich/notch15:51
zOnny+115:51
zOnnyI will try my best to connect with her15:52
jelknerThanks zOnny!16:07
jelknerNo rush16:07
jelknerI've been trying for a year ;-)16:07
jelknerbut as we really prepare to relaunch, we could certainly use her skills16:07
jelkneri don't know a talented designer who knows our people's software tools and workflow as well as she does16:08
jelknerbtw, zOnny, i just filled out a pitch for a $10K grant16:08
jelknerand i am working on the interim report for SECOSOL's $17.5 K disbursement in February16:09
jelknerwe have our SECOSOL board meeting on Feb. 116:09
jelknerbut after the awesome work you did with the SECOSOL website16:09
jelkneri want to see if the board would agree to hire NOVA Web to do the websites for Magic Broom and Seed Commons16:10
jelknerand to develop a reservation system for both Mujeres Manos a la Obra and Magic Broom to use16:11
jelkneri talked to klarios about this when she came in on thursday16:11
jelkneri can't tell you how thrilled i was when i saw the SECOSOL website, my friend!16:11
jelkneri made dcammue laugh when i told him that i was "happy as a pig in shit!" ;-)16:12
zOnnylol16:12
zOnnygood to know that16:12
jelknerwe are on track with the goal of our reboot16:13
jelkneri promised klarios i would disburse then next $5K this weekend16:13
jelknerfrom SJC to NOVA Web16:13
jelknerso she has what she needs to pay you16:13
zOnnyWe can definitely work closely with Secosol such as dogfooding 16:14
jelkner+116:14
jelknerok, i need to do so teacher work16:14
jelkneri'll be back at 2 pm16:15
zOnnyKlarios wrote an interesting question regarding our boxes app functionality16:15
jelkneryes16:15
jelknerand i wanted to ask about the one link on the SECOSOL site16:15
jelknerto the documentary16:15
jelknerit doesn't change to spanish16:15
zOnnyI like when the questions come from someone who I can meet in Jitsi and have a better idea of their needs16:15
jelknerthat may be a bit of work to fix16:15
jelknersoon that will be everyone16:16
zOnnythe documentary banner?16:16
jelknerklarios works closely with the SECOSOL co-presidents16:16
jelkneryes, the documentary banner16:16
jelknerit says "Watch PBS Video"16:16
jelknerbut doesn't switch to spanish16:17
zOnnyGood point16:17
jelknerlike the rest of the site16:17
zOnnyWe haven't run the django translations 16:17
zOnnyI will make sure that works16:17
jelknercool16:18
jelknerFeb. 1 would be a great time to have that working16:18
jelknerwhen we have our board meeting16:18
zOnnyOn it16:18
jelknersince klarios and i want to ask the board for web dev funding16:18
zOnnyit is just one command16:18
jelknersweet16:18
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zOnnydone17:40
thomasboimahHi zOnny and dcammue 18:48
dcammueHi thomasboimah 18:49
dcammueI don't know why jeff did not show up for the meeting18:50
dcammueYou have any idea thomas?18:50
thomasboimahThere was a bit confusion it will soon be here18:51
thomasboimah*he18:51
zOnnyHi thomas18:52
jelknerhello thomasboimah, zOnny and dcammue 19:00
jelknerwhat's our plan now that we are meeting at 2 pm EST?19:00
thomasboimahHello jelkner 19:00
zOnnyHi jelkner 19:00
thomasboimahMy plan here is work zOnny 19:01
thomasboimah*with*19:01
jelknergot you19:01
jelknercan we talk briefly about what you need me to do?19:01
dcammueHi jelkner19:01
thomasboimahI see that you get confuse with the time today19:01
jelkneryes19:01
jelkneryou told me you we were meeting at 219:02
jelknerso i didn't show up at 719:02
jelkneram19:02
thomasboimahYeah that is for our work session not the standup meeting19:02
zOnnyWe are keeping the stand up meetings at 7AM EST so thomasboimah proposal was to have start the dev team to connect at 2pm19:02
jelknerbut that is the confusion19:02
jelknerthe stand up meeting is supposed to start each work session19:03
jelknerthat's the point of it19:03
zOnny+119:03
jelknerso it doesn't make sense to do it at a different time and place19:03
jelkneri'll tell you waht19:03
jelknerwhat19:03
jelknerlet's not resume stand up meetings until Jetro has moved into their office19:04
jelknerwe need to establish a routine19:04
jelknerthat will make us more productive19:04
zOnny+119:04
jelknerand we can't do that while we don't know what to expect from day to day19:04
jelknerit makes planning *very* difficult19:04
jelknerso, dcammue, the task is yours19:05
dcammueSure19:05
jelknerlet us know when you've moved in19:05
jelknerand we'll call a meeting soon thereafter to begin to plan an new schedule19:05
jelknermake sense?19:05
dcammue+119:05
jelknercool, okie dokie comrades, email me if you need me19:06
jelknerzOnny, next Saturday we are meeting in Harper's Ferry19:06
jelknerbe sure to let thomasboimah know about that in advance19:06
jelknerlike now ;-)19:06
zOnnythanks for the reminder jeff19:06
zOnnyI forgot about it19:07
jelknertalk soon, i don't want to hold up the devs, so i'm outta here19:07
jelkneroh no, don't forget19:07
jelknerit is important19:07
jelknerTony is coming down all the way from Pittsburg19:08
zOnnyjelkner: can you explain more about it19:08
jelkneryes, i can do that now19:08
zOnnyIs there a specific place and time to be?19:08
jelknerhold on, let me look in our calendar19:08
jelkneri think i put it there19:08
zOnnyIs there an email, I'm not aware of19:09
jelkneri'll tell you what19:09
jelkneri only put my hotel in my personal calendar19:09
jelknerlet me call rachel, and jump back in here once i've added a calendar event19:10
zOnnysure19:10
jelknerbb in around an hour...19:10
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jelknerLOL, i'm back19:11
jelknerthat was a quick hour!!19:11
jelknerzOnny, i did put it in the calendar19:11
dcammueLol19:11
jelknercan you see it?19:11
zOnnyon it19:12
zOnnyhold on19:12
zOnnyDecidim mini Submit?19:13
jelknerYup19:13
jelknerSo let's take a few minutes to plan19:13
zOnny1:16 min 19:14
zOnnyaway 19:14
jelknerWe meet at the Mexican restaurant at 5 pm19:14
jelknernice!19:14
jelknerwe'll have dinner together, and then go to a pub to continue our conversation19:14
zOnnyI need to get a fly19:14
jelknerlol19:14
jelkneryou're giving Kei a ride, yes?19:14
zOnnysounds good Jeff19:14
zOnnysure19:15
jelknerperfect19:15
zOnnyI will coordinate it with her19:15
jelkneri'll tell sahnun he should get there on his own19:15
jelknerthat will simplify things19:15
jelknerand give you and Kei a change to talk about the business19:15
jelknerYou'll have 2 1/2 hours19:15
jelkner1:16 each way ;-)19:15
jelknershe lives in Arlington19:16
jelknerRosslyn19:16
zOnnyI see19:16
jelknerso you need to factor in picking her up19:16
jelkneri'll leave that to you two smart techies to figure out19:16
zOnnyIs there a way to land an airplane in Rosslyn?19:16
jelknerif you can program computers, you can do simple logistics19:17
jelknernot unless you're donald trump19:17
zOnnysounds good19:17
zOnnyI figured19:17
zOnnySaturday at 5pm in Happer's Ferry will be then19:17
jelknerok, our agenda is mostly about how to use our NOVASEN Decidim19:18
jelknerbut we will also take the opportunity to talk NOVA Web business plan in general19:18
zOnnyHow many people we are talking about?19:18
jelknerzOnny, jelkner, klarios, Rachel, Sahnun, Tony, Rachel's husband19:18
jelknerthat's 819:19
jelknerrachel's husband is a programmer19:19
zOnnypython?19:19
jelknerand rachel is a power tech user free software activist19:19
jelknerdon't know, zOnny 19:19
jelknerbut we'll get to find out when we meet him19:20
zOnnyI don't get along with with php ones19:20
jelknerLOL19:20
jelknerwe need to make friends with a few of them19:20
jelknersince as we grow, we will need to be able to handle them19:20
zOnny+119:21
jelknerand hey, watch out, my beloved son is now a PHP programmer!19:21
zOnnyNo way!!19:21
jelknerYes, Agaric is a Drupal shop19:21
jelknerthat's what they do19:21
jelknerin all seriousness, i hope we can partner with them in the future19:21
zOnnydefinitely19:22
jelknerwe focus on the Django, they focus on the Drupal, but we help each other out19:22
zOnnywe share the same golas19:22
jelkner+119:22
zOnny*goals*19:22
jelknerok, anything else before i go?19:22
zOnnyYes19:22
jelkneri'm wasting thomasboimah's time here19:22
jelknershoot19:22
zOnnyQuick question about ANCCF19:22
jelknerYes?19:23
zOnnyAfter seen the emails I'm assuming that they are expecting us the demo? 19:23
jelknernot yet19:23
jelknerThey have a board meeting this month19:23
jelknerdon't know the day, but should be soon19:23
zOnnyI see19:23
jelknerthey need board approval before moving ahead19:23
jelknerso we've now given them all they need to present to the board19:24
zOnnythanks for the clarification19:24
jelknerso nothing to do until after the meeting19:24
jelknerthey want the new site by April19:24
jelknerso that gives you a rough timeline19:24
zOnnyright19:24
jelkneranything else?19:24
zOnnyWe will be able to polish the LibreOrganize by that time 19:25
jelknerperfect!19:25
jelknerthat's what we need19:25
jelknerso let me get out of your way and let you and thomasboimah start polishing ;-)19:25
zOnnynot from me19:25
zOnnyright :)19:25
thomasboimahlol19:25
zOnnyNo meeting tomorrow yes?19:26
jelknerwe don't need one19:26
zOnnygot it19:26
jelkneri say we wait until Jetro moves in19:26
jelknerthat's what i proposed earlier19:26
zOnnyThe ball is in Liberia's court?19:26
jelknerwe need to get Jetro working like a real professional team19:26
jelkneryup19:26
jelknerwith people staffing the office19:27
jelkneran office with reliable infrastructure19:27
jelknerso we can depend on them to do business19:27
jelknerdo dcammue has the ball19:27
dcammue+119:28
zOnny:)19:28
jelknerhe will pass it up the field to thomasboimah, who will pass it back to him, until ...19:28
jelknerGOAL!!!19:28
zOnnyWe need it back in U.S.19:28
dcammueYes19:28
jelknerok my dear friends19:28
jelknertalk soon19:28
jelknerACTION signs off19:28
dcammueOkay19:28
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zOnnythomasboimah I was starting working in the ANCCF these days19:29
zOnnyBut it seems that I did misunderstand the approval situation19:29
thomasboimahAhhh19:30
zOnnythomasboimah do you have any questions for me?19:30
zOnnythomasboimah I also did commit big changes into LibreOrganize 19:31
zOnnyI did upgrade the Bootstrap4 to 519:31
zOnnyI think it is crucial for us to optimize LibreOrganize as much as we can19:32
zOnnythomasboimah did you see Kei's email regarding boxes?19:33
zOnnythomasboimah are you having connectivity issues?19:34
tboimahThey was asking if LibreOrganize is like django CMS but i tell them that not fully. I don't know if i was right about that, I told them that they should join us today and ask you .19:34
zOnnygood point19:35
tboimahThey also want to know the process of how can we make django website to use LO19:35
tboimahTheir question was super good19:36
tboimahBut i did try to answer some but I think they can get lot from you19:36
tboimahBut i don't know why they're not here yet19:36
zOnnyNo worries19:37
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zOnnyI can write here and they can read it later19:37
tboimahthere we go mulbah_ is here now19:39
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mulbah_Good evening everyone19:39
zOnnyDo the Dev team has a good understanding of what Django is?19:40
mulbah_I have a good understanding with Django19:41
mulbah_I wanted to understand how libreorganize really works19:42
zOnnynice19:42
zOnnyLibreOrganize is a Django Project19:42
mulbah_Okay19:42
zOnnyYou cannot import the LibreOrganize as a project into your django19:43
zOnnyhowever you can use The libreorganize apps into your project19:43
zOnnyI know that LibreOrganize seems to have a lot going on as a project19:44
zOnnybut we you compare the tree between LibreOrganize and Django new fresh project19:44
zOnnythey have the same structure19:45
mulbah_So how it really functions19:45
zOnnyeverything starts from django-admin startproject mysite, yes?19:45
zOnnyThat is how it is documented in Django documentation19:46
zOnnybut libreOrganize started as django-admin startproject libreorganize19:46
zOnnyafter that we started adding apps to the project19:46
zOnnyIf we all have that picture in mind, you will realize that LibreOrganize is not different to other django projects19:47
zOnnyIf it is a CMS?19:47
zOnnyNo really. It has part of CMS functionality19:48
zOnnybut the main goal of libreoranize is to organize an organziation needs19:49
mulbah_Okay19:50
zOnnymost CMS functionality is to helps users create, manage, and publish digital content (like text, images, videos)19:50
zOnnyAre any of you familiar with WordPress19:51
mulbah_So it’s a Content Management System19:51
thomasboimahyeah19:51
thomasboimahHave a bit of taste of wordpress19:51
zOnnymulbah_: we can say it is a CMS19:52
zOnnyit will become to be a CMS officially19:52
zOnnyif we get it to the point to be as WordPress19:53
zOnnyWhere users can drag and drop the boxes 19:53
zOnnyor design their website style19:53
mulbah_But right now it provide user-friendly interfaces for creating and managing website content without coding.19:53
mulbah_??19:53
zOnnynot really19:54
zOnnywe still making the design for the businesses19:54
zOnnythey cannot do it by themselves19:54
zOnnylike DjangoCMS19:54
mulbah_Oh okay19:55
zOnnyif you run django CMS you will notice the difference19:55
zOnnyLibreOrganize has a different purpose and target19:55
zOnnywe deliver what businesses need 19:57
zOnnylike Secosol19:57
zOnnythey want to have a blog19:57
zOnnythomasboimah and I gave one19:57
mulbah_So our goal is to make it a full CMS system19:57
mulbah_Like world press19:57
zOnnyYes, we can do it19:57
zOnnyNot sure if you are aware but djangoCMS can run into LibreOrganize19:58
mulbah_Okay I will clone the repository tonight and go through the code19:58
zOnnyBecause it is already in PyPI20:00
thomasboimahmulbah_, you need to be added to the LO project on gitlab, zOnny since you are owner can you add his username20:00
mulbah_zOnny: can you add me as a contributor to the repository20:00
zOnnywhat is your username?20:00
mulbah_mulbahtkolleh20:01
zOnnyInvitation sent20:02
zOnnythomasboimah can you help mulbah_ to get familiar with it?20:02
mulbah_I see it thanks20:02
thomasboimahOf course20:02
thomasboimahwe already start on that20:03
zOnnymulbah_ if you have any questions please feel free to ask20:03
thomasboimahwe will continue again when we meet at the office20:03
zOnnyI will be happy to answer 20:03
mulbah_Can I get your email20:04
mulbah_So20:04
mulbah_zOnny:20:04
zOnnyedzon.quinteros@gmail.com20:05
zOnnyMy personal email20:05
zOnnybusiness email: edzon.quinteros@novawebdevelopment.coop20:05
mulbah_If I have any questions I will email you20:05
zOnnyAfter you set up the libreorganize project20:05
mulbah_Okay20:06
zOnnyA good approach for you to run libreOrganize could be with the JetroWeb website20:06
zOnnyIt could help you understand what you need to change20:07
zOnnythomasboimah don't you think that is a good approach?20:08
thomasboimahit is20:08
thomasboimaha good one20:08
zOnnyJetro should follow novawebdev structure20:08
zOnnyafter libreorganize it should have tracker20:08
mulbah_I’m not understanding what u mean by that20:09
zOnnymulbah_ set a goal of deploying a live django project20:09
zOnnyHave you done that?20:09
mulbah_Yes20:09
zOnnyI was you can access the server20:10
zOnny*saw*20:10
mulbah_I use versel to host it20:10
zOnnybut when you have a live website in the server20:10
zOnnytry to not do the changes into the server20:10
zOnnytry to use git more often 20:11
zOnnyotherwise the live website and the repo are async20:11
mulbah_Okay20:13
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zOnnymulbah_ would you like to deploy the JetroWeb with LibreOrganize?20:13
mulbah_Yes I will love to20:13
zOnnynice, let me know how it goes when we meet again20:14
zOnnyI'm sure thomasboimah can help you in that process20:14
zOnnyhe is very familiar with LibreOrganize20:15
zOnnyDo any of you have questions?20:15
thomasboimah-1 for me20:16
mulbah_Okay I will work with thomasboimah and email you if there is any issues20:16
zOnnysounds good20:16
mulbah_-120:16
mulbah_I think I have a understanding of how it works now20:16
zOnnythomasboimah I think you are still working with the migrations, yes?20:17
thomasboimahThat's good to know mulbah_ 20:17
thomasboimahI was, but mulbah_ and gabriel said that they wanted to give it a try20:17
mulbah_Sure bro20:17
zOnnymulbah_: exellent20:17
thomasboimahSo I am let them give it a try and see how it go20:18
thomasboimahI will work alone with them20:18
zOnnythomasboimah sounds good to me20:18
zOnnyLet them run LibreOrganize, To-Do, tracker projects in their local computers20:19
zOnnyI'm sure they will realize that all these projects have a similar functionality20:19
thomasboimahyes!20:19
zOnnyDo you want me to add gabriel into the project?20:20
thomasboimahyes20:20
zOnnyDoes he has a username?20:21
thomasboimahBut i don't really know his username but you can add me as owner then when i meet with him i can add him20:21
thomasboimahright now I am a maintainer20:21
zOnnydone20:27
thomasboimahthanks!20:27
zOnnyMake sure to add him as a developer until they get familiar with it20:28
thomasboimahOkAY20:28
zOnnyalright20:28
zOnnyI think we can call it a day20:28
thomasboimahAlright20:29
thomasboimahThanks for today zOnny 20:29
mulbah_Yes thanks for today bro20:30
zOnnyThanks Jetro Team20:30
thomasboimahsee you tomorrow by 8:00am your time20:30
zOnnyIt is a pleasuer for me learning with you'll20:30
zOnnyAccording to Jeff we are on hold20:31
zOnnyI'm I confused?20:31
thomasboimahI think he mean the standup meeting is on hold. Not the our work session20:32
zOnnyI see20:32
zOnny We always get confused then20:32
thomasboimahBut you can clarify it from him20:32
thomasboimahBut that is how i understand it20:33
zOnnyI will connect at 8 tomorrow20:35
zOnnysee you tomorrow thomasboimah 20:35
thomasboimahOkay you too zOnny have a nice day20:35
zOnnylikewise20:35
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thomasboimahOkay bye mulbah_ and dcammue 20:36
thomasboimahgood night20:36
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