| dcammue | Good morning svaye | 11:55 |
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| svaye | Good morning dcammue | 11:55 |
| thomasboimah | Good morning dcammue and svaye | 11:56 |
| svaye | Good morning thomasboimah | 11:57 |
| jelkner | I made plans for Decidim meetings for NOVASEN. | 12:00 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| thomasboimah | Thursday, zOnny and I successfully accessed both the MayFirst and Linode servers. We found that CIDU's website is actually hosted on Linode, not MayFirst, and we reset the passwords and set up SSH access for future use. Today, I will work on the task zOnny gave me to improve the LibreOrganize blog app. No blocker. | 12:00 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| svaye | We visited our office space on Saturday and made the payment. I have classes today. no blockers | 12:00 |
| svaye | ACTION done | 12:01 |
| jelkner | svaye, does that mean you have the place? | 12:01 |
| svaye | Yes jelkner | 12:01 |
| jelkner | YEA!!!!!! | 12:01 |
| jelkner | That's *GREAT* news! | 12:01 |
| svaye | We plan to move in this month | 12:02 |
| jelkner | When this month? | 12:02 |
| svaye | The middle of this month, lets say the fifteen | 12:02 |
| jelkner | excellent, that's 2 weeks | 12:02 |
| dcammue | During the weekend, I read on the 'TheAccountingGame ' and jetroweb also went out to take onto her first biggest step by getting an office space for herself. Meanwhile, jeteroweb did the payment for the office on Saturday. Thanks to jetroweb. | 12:03 |
| dcammue | ACTION done | 12:03 |
| jelkner | so let's talk about the office | 12:03 |
| jelkner | and then i have to go | 12:03 |
| dcammue | Sorry I was attending some things ease | 12:03 |
| jelkner | do you have any pictures? | 12:03 |
| dcammue | OK | 12:03 |
| dcammue | I will email you all the pictures and video | 12:04 |
| jelkner | Not email dcammue | 12:04 |
| jelkner | that's not a good idea | 12:04 |
| dcammue | I will pur it in Nextcloud | 12:04 |
| mulbah | Hello everyone | 12:04 |
| dcammue | And email | 12:04 |
| svaye | jelkner, you are on telegram right? | 12:04 |
| jelkner | Put them on Jetro's Nextcloud drive | 12:04 |
| jelkner | and share them with me | 12:04 |
| jelkner | or, now that you know how | 12:04 |
| dcammue | I am trying to get to my ssh directory | 12:04 |
| mulbah | sorry I'm late | 12:04 |
| jelkner | yes, that's the best | 12:04 |
| dcammue | But I am blocking on it | 12:04 |
| jelkner | i can then scp them all at once | 12:05 |
| jelkner | ask thomasboimah for help | 12:05 |
| dcammue | OK | 12:05 |
| jelkner | it is time for me to start blogging again | 12:05 |
| jelkner | The last time i posted was almost a year ago | 12:06 |
| jelkner | https://weblog.elkner.net/blog/80/ | 12:06 |
| dcammue | Yes | 12:06 |
| jelkner | So much has happened since them | 12:06 |
| jelkner | s/them/then ;-) | 12:06 |
| svaye | I would love to learn more about blogging when you get here next year jelkner | 12:06 |
| jelkner | svaye, we should ask thomasboimah to set you up with our blogging tool | 12:07 |
| jelkner | which NOVA Web wrote | 12:07 |
| jelkner | we could get thomasboimah and zOnny to modify it a bit | 12:07 |
| jelkner | for you to use | 12:07 |
| jelkner | i would love to see that | 12:07 |
| svaye | It would be wonderful to write a blog about the journey of Jetroweb | 12:08 |
| jelkner | +1! | 12:08 |
| jelkner | and it would help a lot to promote the business too | 12:08 |
| jelkner | so it serves two very important purposes at once | 12:08 |
| svaye | +1 | 12:08 |
| jelkner | it provides useful information that our solidarity economy comrades can learn from | 12:09 |
| jelkner | and it provides a way to tell our story to others who might be interested in what we are doing and want to support us | 12:09 |
| svaye | thomasboimah, can we start with that this week? | 12:09 |
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| tboimah_ | sure | 12:10 |
| jelkner | svaye, can we discuss it next weekend? | 12:10 |
| tboimah_ | jelkner, | 12:10 |
| jelkner | we need zOnny in on the discussion | 12:10 |
| tboimah_ | I have a question to ask you | 12:10 |
| jelkner | ask away my friend ;-) | 12:10 |
| svaye | Sure jelkner | 12:10 |
| tboimah_ | At Nova web who pay for the server? the customer or the coop? | 12:10 |
| tboimah_ | zOnny send me NO | 12:11 |
| jelkner | That is a *great* question, tboimah_ | 12:11 |
| tboimah_ | Nova web contract | 12:11 |
| jelkner | and i have to give you a rather long answer | 12:11 |
| tboimah_ | That i will be looking at today | 12:11 |
| jelkner | dcammue, this is very important for you to pay attention to | 12:11 |
| jelkner | when stefan and adrian ran things, they wanted to host the servers ourselves | 12:12 |
| jelkner | i was never happy with that, and i told them so | 12:12 |
| jelkner | i felt that we were too small a business to take on that responsibility | 12:12 |
| jelkner | it encumbered us in ways we didn't want to be encumbered | 12:13 |
| jelkner | they were young, and i was old | 12:13 |
| jelkner | LOL, and i think in this case, i was right and they were wrong ;-) | 12:13 |
| jelkner | but they were running things | 12:13 |
| jelkner | so we ended up hosting a lot of servers | 12:13 |
| jelkner | we didn't know what we were doing | 12:13 |
| jelkner | so we never even billed for them | 12:13 |
| jelkner | so what happened? | 12:14 |
| jelkner | i ended up having to pay for htem | 12:14 |
| jelkner | them | 12:14 |
| jelkner | after stefan and adrian left | 12:14 |
| jelkner | month after month | 12:14 |
| jelkner | i paid fees for servers | 12:14 |
| jelkner | it was *horrible* from a business point of view | 12:14 |
| jelkner | so in reboot 4 | 12:14 |
| jelkner | i said "NOT AGAIN!" | 12:14 |
| jelkner | now we can still use Linode | 12:15 |
| jelkner | but the customer has to own the server | 12:15 |
| jelkner | and receive the bill | 12:15 |
| jelkner | we can do the set up for them | 12:15 |
| jelkner | that's what we do, provide service | 12:15 |
| jelkner | but we don't provide the hosting | 12:15 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, dcammue it is still your task to finish that process | 12:16 |
| jelkner | i bet we still have some servers that we are paying for | 12:16 |
| jelkner | that's money that could go to you | 12:16 |
| jelkner | but instead, is flushed down the toilet each month since we don't know how to run our business | 12:16 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 12:16 |
| thomasboimah | zOnny told me on Thursday that Some clients have reached out asking Nova about the invoice | 12:17 |
| jelkner | yes thomasboimah, they want to pay | 12:17 |
| thomasboimah | You know about that? | 12:17 |
| jelkner | but we don't know how to bill!!!!!! | 12:17 |
| jelkner | "knowing how to bill" means that there is someone whose job it is to send an invoice, collect payment, and manage our books | 12:17 |
| jelkner | we don't have that | 12:17 |
| jelkner | YET | 12:17 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, This should be Kei work right? | 12:18 |
| jelkner | we are about to | 12:18 |
| jelkner | dcammue and svaye | 12:18 |
| svaye | yes jelkner | 12:18 |
| jelkner | yes thomasboimah, workking with kei | 12:18 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:18 |
| jelkner | Kei has been trying | 12:18 |
| jelkner | but as you know | 12:18 |
| jelkner | she works for the cleaning co-op | 12:18 |
| jelkner | so much of the time she is cleaning houses and offices | 12:18 |
| jelkner | and can't be on her computer | 12:19 |
| jelkner | she needs to do that | 12:19 |
| jelkner | since she needs to eat | 12:19 |
| thomasboimah | got you | 12:19 |
| jelkner | sadly, NOVA Web does not bring in revenue | 12:19 |
| jelkner | to sustain her | 12:19 |
| jelkner | we need to change that | 12:19 |
| jelkner | like i have told you a number of times | 12:19 |
| jelkner | but i'm glad to see it will make more and more sense as your experience grows | 12:20 |
| svaye | I could work on the invoices if I have enough on what we are billing for | 12:20 |
| jelkner | i believe we can make this reboot work | 12:20 |
| svaye | *information | 12:20 |
| jelkner | but i also think that to support workers like kei and tony and zOnny | 12:20 |
| jelkner | we need to be able to charge U.S. rates | 12:20 |
| jelkner | they need to pay more than $2000 each month for rent here | 12:21 |
| jelkner | i think Decidim will be our only way to do that | 12:21 |
| thomasboimah | Wow! | 12:21 |
| jelkner | yes, thomasboimah, you all will learn about international finance | 12:22 |
| jelkner | since you are part of a global business | 12:22 |
| thomasboimah | To live in the US is expensive | 12:22 |
| thomasboimah | In Liberia even 10USD can get you room | 12:22 |
| jelkner | https://www.apartments.com/arlington-va/?bb=oj6qjin00H3zs6O&&msclkid=da85607240ed11d25bce095fc86847d4&gclsrc=ds&gad_source=7&gad_campaignid=22176067566 | 12:22 |
| jelkner | can you see this? | 12:23 |
| svaye | yes | 12:23 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 12:23 |
| jelkner | we will be having a lot of discussions around this | 12:24 |
| gabriel_jetro | +1 | 12:24 |
| jelkner | part of what happened in the late 20th century was that jobs left the U.S. and headed to China | 12:24 |
| jelkner | why? | 12:24 |
| jelkner | because labor was *much* cheaper in China | 12:24 |
| jelkner | we are in the same situation | 12:24 |
| jelkner | NOVA Web can help Jetro Web prosper | 12:25 |
| jelkner | because we can charge much lower rates using your labor | 12:25 |
| jelkner | and since we are in tech | 12:25 |
| jelkner | you can do web development from anywhere | 12:25 |
| jelkner | that is a crucial part of our business plan | 12:25 |
| jelkner | even if NOVA Web can't "make it" | 12:26 |
| jelkner | which means finding contracts that pay enough for Kei and Tony and zOnny to live | 12:26 |
| jelkner | we can keep a one person staff whose only job it will be to manage contracts for you all | 12:27 |
| jelkner | so we can keep Jetro funded with jobs here | 12:27 |
| jelkner | a lot of those jobs can't contract with a Liberian company | 12:27 |
| jelkner | but they won't | 12:27 |
| jelkner | they will contract with NOVA Web, who will subcontract with Jetro Web | 12:27 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 12:27 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 12:27 |
| svaye | yes | 12:28 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:28 |
| mulbah | +1 | 12:28 |
| gabriel_jetro | +1 | 12:28 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, | 12:28 |
| jelkner | i hope we can also get Decidim jobs with municipal governments (cities and towns) here | 12:28 |
| thomasboimah | The last question please | 12:28 |
| svaye | That's the job of a business manager right jelkner | 12:28 |
| jelkner | yes, svaye! | 12:28 |
| jelkner | that's the job of the business manager | 12:28 |
| jelkner | quickly thomasboimah | 12:29 |
| thomasboimah | Is it hard to get customer in the US? | 12:29 |
| jelkner | it is not hard to get customers for you, thomasboimah | 12:29 |
| jelkner | it will be easy | 12:29 |
| jelkner | we did it in each of the other reboots | 12:29 |
| svaye | jelkner, do you want us to look for companies that are willing to collaborate with us? | 12:29 |
| jelkner | we always found customers | 12:29 |
| jelkner | but they didn't pay enough for us to live here | 12:30 |
| jelkner | they did pay enough for you to live there | 12:30 |
| jelkner | svaye, i'm going to be there from June 22nd to July 19th | 12:30 |
| jelkner | the reason i want to spend a month with you is so that we can have those kinds of conversations | 12:30 |
| jelkner | first, let's get our skills up | 12:31 |
| jelkner | we aren't ready | 12:31 |
| jelkner | we need to be "pros" | 12:31 |
| jelkner | and we're not | 12:31 |
| jelkner | we're getting closer all the time | 12:31 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah is making huge progress by working with zOnny | 12:31 |
| jelkner | and dcammue is making progress in his study of bookkeeping | 12:32 |
| jelkner | but we aren't there yet | 12:32 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 12:32 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 12:32 |
| thomasboimah | Thanks for the insight jelkner. | 12:32 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 12:32 |
| jelkner | let's meet again on wednesday | 12:32 |
| dcammue | Yes | 12:32 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, please help dcammue and svaye get some pictures on the postgresql server | 12:33 |
| jelkner | so i can copy them from there | 12:33 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 12:33 |
| jelkner | i'm eager to see the new place! | 12:33 |
| thomasboimah | Alright | 12:33 |
| jelkner | and to start planning on getting it set up for Jetro to really start working | 12:33 |
| jelkner | see you wednesday... | 12:33 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off until wednesday | 12:34 |
| gabriel_jetro | Sure, have a nice day jelkner | 12:34 |
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| thomasboimah | Bye guys | 12:34 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION sign off until wednesday | 12:35 |
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| svaye | ACTION done | 12:35 |
| svaye | ACTION signs off | 12:35 |
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