IRC log of #jetrowebdev for Sunday, 2025-11-23

thomasboimahWassup bro11:56
klariosgood morning comrades!11:58
thomasboimahGood morning klarios 11:58
thomasboimahGood morning jelkner 11:58
zOnnyGood morning everyone!11:59
thomasboimahGood morning zOnny 11:59
jelknerYesterday NOVASEN held a delightful community building dinner. We signed up several folks on our novasen.org Decidim. Today it's about grading student git repos for teacher jeff. No blockers.12:00
thomasboimahYesterday I worked with zOnny to resolve our infrastructure access issues, getting Bitwarden and Nextcloud set up properly. We also investigated server access problems for MD Latino Caucus and successfully set up a local development environment after fixing Django version conflicts. Today I'll continue working with zOnny on client website updates and begin researching the PostgreSQL migration to May First. We're waiting to hear back from MD 12:00
thomasboimahLatino Caucus about their requirements before we can proceed with their updates.12:00
thomasboimahACTION done12:00
jelknerACTION done12:00
jelknerGood morning all!12:00
jelknerzOnny, you can't expect me to respond to anything in the two minutes before 712:00
jelkneri'm busy typing out my what i did yesterday, what i'll do today, blockers message12:01
jelknerand along with my comrade thomasboimah, waiting to hit enter at precisely 7 am ;-)12:01
zOnnyToday, I plan to update Secosol’s website until we hear back from MDlatinocaucus. Also I would like to move forward with LibreOrganize and help Thomas to familiarize with it. NO BLOCKERS12:01
jelkneri'm finding this stand up meeting practice to be *very* helpful12:02
jelknerit allows us to see in a minute or two what everyone is doing12:02
dcammueYesterday,  jelkner and I met on the sjcompute channel, and we had a great discussion about our books, and he shared a fantastic book with me, but unfortunately, it was saved in the ssh directory and I managed to copy it to my local machine. I also attended a jeteroweb meeting, and we discussed our office space and will be pay for on Saturday. No blocker12:02
dcammueACTION done12:02
klariosYesterday we had an amazing event! it was a success for the solidarity economy. Now we’ve got to use the tools to our disposal and get everyone using those tools. 12:02
jelknerand it exercises our ability to coordinate our activity12:02
klariostoday I will be following up with my tasks from yesterday. Some more done than others ofc 12:03
jelkner+1 on SECOSOL12:03
dcammueToday,  I will continue reading the book. RheAccountingGame12:03
jelkneryou have an excellent customer for SECOSOL on the premises, one klarios 12:03
jelknergreat opportunity for her to learn how to manage a website12:04
jelknershe's on the board of SECOSOL (me too)12:04
zOnnybetter yet!12:04
klariosyep yep. I guess you could say it interests me a lot ;)12:05
zOnnyexpect invoices from me soon then :)12:05
jelkneri should also mention that i worked with dcammue for 2 hours yestersday12:05
klarioscool!12:05
jelknerit is totally clear that we need an office for Jetro!12:06
jelknerwhile dcammue and i solved a real problem - making an account for him on our database server, generating an ssh key, getting it on the server so he could log in12:06
jelknerand exchanging a file through that server12:07
jelknerit took us 2 hours12:07
jelknerwhen if Jetro had and office12:07
zOnnyAlso I would like to mention that I won’t be connected next weekend due to the long Thanksgiving weekend.12:07
jelknerit would have taken 10 minutes12:07
klarioswow that is a lot of time!12:07
dcammueWe already have,  I can say12:07
jelkneryou can look at the logs klarios 12:07
jelknerwe met on #sjcompute12:07
klarios+112:07
jelkneryou should look at the logs, klarios 12:08
dcammueYeah, klarios I was like a fool12:08
jelknerno you weren't dcammue!12:08
klariosIm sure you weren’t dcammue!12:08
jelknernot at all12:08
dcammueDidn't know what to do12:08
jelknerthere is *so* much to learn12:08
jelknerplease don't assign blame to yourself12:08
jelknerthat won't help us at all12:08
jelknermy point is that there is so much to learn12:09
dcammueSure12:09
jelknerso the problem is not with any individual12:09
jelknerit is with our ability to coordinate12:09
klariosthis is a learning process in all aspect! I’m sure if i tried now it’d take me a while too12:09
jelknersince i know how much football is important in Liberia12:09
jelkneri like to think of the football analogies that can be helpful12:10
jelknerit is a team sport12:10
dcammueI even managed to get the file from the ssh directory and started reading 12:10
jelknerwe need to move down the field TOGETHER12:10
dcammueAnd I love the book12:10
jelknerpass the ball effectively12:10
jelkneryes, it is the best book i could find dcammue 12:10
dcammueThe procedures they took 12:10
dcammueIt is amazing 12:10
jelknerso when Jetro has an office12:10
jelknerthis will not be a problem12:11
jelknerit was very hard to explain things to you on irc12:11
dcammueNot at all12:11
jelknerdcammue, you did a great job12:11
zOnnyIs NovaWebDev using Gnucash for Accounting?12:11
jelkneryes, zOnny 12:11
zOnnyGreat!12:11
jelknerwith a postgress backend12:11
jelknerso we can collaborate across the globe12:12
zOnnyI hvae basic familiarity with it from one of my classes12:12
jelknerexcellent!12:12
klariosI am not sure if there’s a tool out there that could make learning easier and faster? normally we just use documentation sites but they are so time costly 12:13
jelknerfor learning what, klarios?12:13
klariosfor doing simple but effective tasks such using our infrastructure 12:13
klarioseven in business tracker, i’d say it took me a while to use it to its full putential!12:14
klariospotential *12:14
jelknerklarios, as an OLD person, i can tell you from experience, that there is no substitute for time12:14
jelknerwe are social animals12:14
jelknerbuilding social relations12:14
jelknerthere is no "tool" that can replace the needed social interaction12:15
jelknershared practice12:15
jelkneri'm so glad there is no tool to take that away12:15
jelknerwhen there is12:15
jelknerwe won't be humans any more12:15
jelknerwe are doing great12:15
jelknerit was so fun to work with thomasboimah on the stand up meeting12:16
jelknerhe was the first to "get it"12:16
jelknerand then others watched too12:16
jelknerand we learned to do it effectively together12:16
jelknerwhen new folks come it12:16
jelknerthey don't know what is going on12:16
jelkneruntil they watch12:16
jelknerand interact12:17
jelknerthat's how social animals operate ;-)12:17
klariosthat’s right! hence why the office is crucial. Learning is faster and we will be able to interact as well 12:17
jelkner+112:17
jelkneryou are so right!12:17
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jelknerthat's what i was saying yesterday12:17
jelknerto dcammue 12:17
jelknerif we had an office12:17
jelknerif Jetro had and office12:18
jelknerMulbah could have helped dcammue with the ssh setup12:18
jelknerand it would have taken 15 minutes top12:18
jelknerinstead of 2 hours12:18
dcammue+112:18
klariosyep +1 12:19
jelknerso dcammue and thomasboimah, keep your eyes on getting that office!12:19
dcammue+112:19
thomasboimah+112:19
jelknerok, what do you need from me before i go off to do teacher stuff12:20
jelknerklarios and i talked about one thing we need to discuss12:20
jelknerpayment schedule for zOnny 12:20
jelknerwe agreed on $800 per month for 6 months12:20
jelknerthat's the time we are going to use to "reboot" NOVA Web12:21
zOnnyyes12:21
klariosI don’t think anything for now jelkner. Cjones said he’d talk to you tomorrow about the country club folks12:21
jelknerand get it back on a solid footing12:21
jelknerklarios, we need a payment schedule12:21
jelknerzOnny won't be here next weekend12:21
klariosWhen did sonny start?12:21
jelknerbut i'll be available to work with dcammue on our books12:21
klarioszonny*12:21
zOnnyI'm willing towork Wednesday and Thursday12:22
jelknerlast weekend, right?12:22
zOnnyIf Thomas is able to connect that day12:22
jelknerzOnny, i'm glad you're bringing that up12:22
jelknerthomasboimah needs two days off12:22
jelknerwe had picked tues and thur12:22
jelknerbut if you are available wed and thu12:23
thomasboimahyes12:23
jelknerwe could adjust12:23
klariosI say our transfer schedule be the first week of the following month?12:23
jelknerwe need to work around your schedule zOnny 12:23
jelknersince thomasboimah is more flexible than you are12:23
jelknerthis is his only job12:23
zOnnyIs good to know that12:23
jelknerand he is full time12:24
jelknerso, you two decide which two days thomasboimah takes off12:24
jelknerand i'll show up to stand up meetings all of those days12:24
zOnnysounds good jeff12:24
thomasboimahTuesday and Thursday day off is fine with me12:25
jelknerthomasboimah, i think you are missunderstanding12:25
jelknerzOnny, is proposing changing that12:25
jelknersince he said he could be available thursday to work with you12:25
zOnnyjust for the coming weekend12:25
jelknerahh12:25
jelkneri get it12:25
jelknernever mind12:25
jelknerthat sounds good12:26
dcammuethomasboimah: Jeff say if you can work with zOnny on one of you day off. Which is Thursday 12:26
jelknernow i understand12:26
zOnnyThomas if you are connected all day in irc I can work with you during the weeks12:26
jelknerzOnny is suggesting this week only12:26
jelknersince he can't do next sat and sun12:26
zOnnyI try to log in to the irc sometimes 12:26
zOnnybut nobody is connected12:26
jelknerzOnny, we come when we're scheduled12:27
zOnnyI see12:27
klariosperhaps you can use telegram to text and meet on irc?12:27
jelknerbut that is another point12:27
klariosor a scheduled way?12:27
jelkneronce you have an office12:27
jelknerdevelop the practice of just being on irc whenever you are at work12:27
klariosemail is also great ofc 12:27
jelknerthat makes it easier to "drop in"12:27
zOnnygot it12:28
klariostrue +112:28
jelkneri'll be sure to do that when i'm in liberia12:28
jelknersleeping in the new office! ;-)12:28
klarioslucky :p12:28
dcammueOnce jetroweb has an office,  representative will be online all time 12:29
dcammueThat's right jelkner 12:29
jelkner+112:29
dcammueY9u will be sleeping there12:29
jelknerme and mulbah at least12:29
dcammueHmm12:29
jelknerMulbah said he will move there, right?12:30
jelknerthat is what i was counting on12:30
dcammueMaybe12:30
jelknerwhy maybe?12:30
zOnnyKei and Jelkner what is our goal with Mayfirst?12:30
dcammueBut if he can not, I will 12:30
jelknerperfect!12:30
klariosI’ve got to head out comrades. Magic broom is heading to work soon. Zonny 12:30
jelknerif you get a 3 bedroom12:30
jelkneryou both can12:30
jelknerok klarios 12:30
jelkneri need to drop soon12:30
dcammueBecause I am not getting green light from him on that jelkner 12:31
klariosnice question! 12:31
jelknercan you join us wednesday?12:31
jelknerit will be very helpful to have at least one of you living there12:31
jelknerfrom a security point of view12:31
jelknerand from an operational point of view12:31
klariosI can try! but cant guarantee since we head out early to work too 12:31
jelknerright12:32
jelkneri got it klarios 12:32
klarioszonny, I want to update u fro yesterday but I can send a text12:32
jelknerplease pay Octree ASAP12:32
zOnnySounds Good12:32
jelknerand figure out how to pay zOnny 12:32
jelknerthat's your job, right klarios?12:32
jelkneri'll just count on you taking care of it12:33
zOnnyThomas and I are ready with the Secosol dev environment so far12:33
klariosgood day! and yes + octree should get their transfers within 3 business days12:33
thomasboimahzOnny, and klarios please cc me in the mail to MD Latino Caucus 12:33
jelknerperfect!12:33
zOnnyWe are expecting to do assignments12:33
klarios+112:33
jelknerokie dokie dcammue and thomasboimah, see you tomorrow same time, same place12:33
thomasboimahOkay jelkner 12:33
jelkneri'll read the logs before we meet12:33
dcammueYou too12:33
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jelknerto see how it goes today12:34
jelknergreat chatting with you!12:34
dcammueThanks 12:34
jelknerACTION signs off until tomorrow's stand up12:34
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zOnnyAlright12:35
zOnnyTHOMAS do you have any questions from Yesterday?12:35
thomasboimahNo 12:35
zOnnySorry I didn't ask you when we finished the LO for MDlatinocaucus12:36
thomasboimahNp zOnny 12:36
zOnnyDo you understand why we created another LO for that specific website?12:37
thomasboimahyes, to get rid of the lot of the module error12:37
thomasboimahand package12:37
thomasboimaherror12:37
zOnnyYes12:37
thomasboimahSo what are we working on today?12:39
zOnnyThat is what are you going to do in most projects when you work as a developer12:39
zOnnySince we haven't heard back from Secosol neither from MDlatino12:39
zOnnyWe also have the NovaWebDev instance running12:41
thomasboimah+112:41
zOnnywhich one was the 4.?12:41
zOnnyCIDU?12:41
thomasboimahNO12:42
thomasboimahit is Jetro web website but my team and i working on that12:42
zOnnyI haven't seen your website12:42
zOnnyDo you have a website for Jetro12:43
zOnnythat's cool12:43
thomasboimahOne of our past member Spencer was the heading the development of but it need more modern design now: jetrowebdevelopment.org12:44
thomasboimah*one*12:44
zOnnyis this all html and css?12:45
thomasboimahyes and a bit of Javascript12:45
zOnnyIs spencer still part of the team?12:46
thomasboimahNo12:46
zOnnyGot it12:46
thomasboimahBut i work with him before on this site. 12:46
thomasboimaha year back12:47
zOnnyI see12:47
zOnnywell, sometimes websites look better when they are simple12:48
zOnnySo here is my thoughts about Secosol12:48
zOnnyI think they will be requesting soon changes 12:48
thomasboimahyes12:49
zOnnysooner than MDlatino12:49
zOnnyDid you work on that website?12:49
thomasboimahI can remain some days back Kei was talking about blog integration for the secosol12:49
thomasboimahNo i did not work on secosol12:50
zOnnyBlog is a big statement12:50
thomasboimahI think one Louis did12:50
thomasboimahhe was one of Jeff student12:50
zOnnyAh12:50
thomasboimahBut I am too show12:50
thomasboimahabout that12:50
thomasboimahWe can asked Jeff about that12:51
zOnnyWell, here are my thoughts about how the websites are running right now12:51
thomasboimah*not*12:51
zOnnyI think, they are working with specific branches and are outdated12:52
zOnnyHowever, they are working as for now12:53
zOnnySo tell me a little bit more about mayfirst12:53
zOnnyWhen you purchase a server12:54
zOnnyYou do with a specific account?12:54
thomasboimahyes12:54
zOnnyWhere do I see the list of the servers we own?12:54
thomasboimahfor mayfirst??12:55
zOnnyyes12:55
thomasboimahFor know is that all coop. like nova, secosol, sjcompute, and Jetro have it own account and one you have an account they give a server right about12:56
thomasboimah*what*12:56
zOnnyah12:57
thomasboimahFor what i know is that all coop. like nova, secosol, sjcompute, and Jetro have it own account and once you have an account they give a server right away12:57
zOnnythat is how it works12:57
thomasboimahBut have you take a look at the Mayfirst pannel for any of the coop i list before?12:58
zOnnyno wonder why I was giving diefferent log ins 12:58
zOnnythe panel?12:59
thomasboimahI think when you take a good look of the control pannel, you will understand how things work12:59
zOnnyWho is the administrator?13:00
thomasboimahwhen you have a chance during the week take a look at this: https://mayfirst.coop/en/13:01
thomasboimahFor now i will say I and Jeff are the one managing all of the coop. account13:01
thomasboimahI mean the sjcompute, Nova, secosol and Jetro13:02
thomasboimahBut i don't know who deploy secosol. Jeff just give me access to those account sometime back13:03
zOnnySo I cannot create an account by myself13:03
thomasboimahI created an account for you right? for, Nova and secosol.13:03
zOnnyyes13:04
zOnnyNova?13:04
thomasboimahI give you access to secosol yesterday13:04
thomasboimahI even added you ssh key to the server access through the control panel13:04
zOnnyyes13:04
thomasboimah*your*13:05
zOnnyand also you gave me access to your todo13:05
thomasboimahJust login in to secosol and take a look at the control i guess you will understand a lot from there13:05
thomasboimah*control panel*13:06
zOnnywell13:07
zOnnyI did logged in with the novawebdev13:07
thomasboimahfor the novawebdev account it is also hosting the CIDU website13:08
zOnnyright13:08
thomasboimahclick to where you see the drop down arrow you will see the nova we mayfirst account13:09
thomasboimahright to where you are seeing the CIDU 13:09
zOnnyright13:10
zOnnyBut I don't see the ssh access13:10
zOnnyhow do we see them13:10
thomasboimahBecause their is server or website is hosting on it13:11
zOnnySo if I want to ssh to CIDU13:11
thomasboimahNo*13:11
thomasboimahI really don't know more about the CIDU13:12
zOnnySo let's say we want to see what branch of LO CIDU is running13:12
thomasboimahlike i said Jeff just give me access to manage this13:12
zOnnygot it13:13
thomasboimahI think Jeff son was the one that deploy the CIDU13:13
thomasboimahzOnny, i Tough you said that you have deploy on MayFirst before?13:14
thomasboimahWhich website did you deploy?13:15
zOnnyI did deploy CIDU I think13:15
zOnnyI don't remember how :)13:15
zOnnyI think my customer did give access to it by sending me the credentials13:16
thomasboimahahh13:16
zOnnyIts been awhile 13:16
zOnnycan you log in ti CIDU?13:17
zOnny*to*13:17
thomasboimahlet me see13:18
thomasboimahjust give me a min13:18
jelknerzOnny, thomasboimah i'm jumping back in because i realize zOnny asked a question i didn't answer13:30
zOnnysure13:30
jelknerzOnny, did thomasboimah answer your question about May First hosting?13:30
zOnnyI'm trying to get familiar with it13:31
jelknerthomasboimah, you can help him with that, yes?13:31
thomasboimahI already try to explain to him13:31
thomasboimahBut you can add up13:31
jelknernot if you don't need me13:31
zOnnygo for it Jeff13:31
jelkneri don't want to "muddy the waters" ;-)13:32
zOnnyI need a lecture of mayfirst :(13:32
jelknersince thomasboimah figured it out, not me13:32
thomasboimahjelkner, go ahead13:32
thomasboimahadd up13:32
jelkneri'm just a customer13:32
jelknerbut i understand the basic idea13:32
thomasboimahYes but you been attending most of Mayfirst meeting13:32
jelknerwe are deploying Django using "shared hosting"13:32
thomasboimahso you know more about MayFirst then me13:33
jelknerLOL, i'm on the engagement team thomasboimah 13:33
jelknerthe meetings i attend are political, not technical13:33
jelknerwe talk about how to make free software more usable and popular so we can free ourselves from corporate tech13:33
zOnnyI get their ethical vision13:34
jelkneryou, thomasboimah, are the one who figured out how to deploy SECOSOL on May First shared infrastructure13:34
jelkneri can only add this13:34
thomasboimahNO jelkner i was not the one to deploy SECOSOL13:35
jelknerNOVA Web, Jetro Web, SJC, and SECOSOL are all May First members13:35
thomasboimah*that*13:35
jelknerwas who?13:35
thomasboimahI think only explain to Louis a lot bet about how to deploy and he did it13:35
thomasboimah*I*13:35
thomasboimahI think only explain to Louis a little bet about how to deploy and he did it13:36
jelknerLuis or Louis?13:36
thomasboimahNOt you son your 13:36
thomasboimah*your*13:36
zOnnyWhich Louis13:36
thomasboimahthe other Louis13:36
jelknerLouis is my son13:36
zOnnyright13:36
thomasboimahYour student13:36
jelknerLuis was a student who was with us for awhile13:36
zOnnyah13:37
jelknerok, let me just say that i not be very helpful here13:37
jelknerthe great techs at May First are our comrades13:37
jelknerand they are very helpful13:37
jelknerbut it will be up to you two to figure out what was done13:37
zOnnycool13:37
jelknersince i don't know13:37
zOnnytell me about Secosol then13:38
zOnnyWho is managing the Website?13:38
jelknerwe are trying to reduce costs13:38
jelknerlol, you are zOnny! ;-)13:38
jelkneryou and thomasboimah 13:38
thomasboimahzOnny, i give you access to that right so we are13:38
jelknernow we know we are in trouble, right? ;-)13:38
thomasboimahFor now13:38
jelknerLOL13:39
jelknerthis is actually great13:39
jelknersince you are asking all the right questions13:39
zOnnyThomas to secosol?13:39
zOnnyyes13:39
jelknerit's going to take about a month just for you to get oriented zOnny 13:39
jelknerbut thomasboimah has all the access he needs13:39
jelknerthere should be some documentation on how the app was set up to run13:40
thomasboimahjelkner, zOnny was asking about CIDU and i email you and your son about this before right?13:40
zOnnyIt won't take that long, it is just the infrastructure 13:40
jelknercool13:40
jelkneri asked about CIDU13:40
jelknerand Louie told me he thought zOnny worked on it13:41
jelkneri'm so confused13:41
thomasboimahMe too13:41
zOnnyI did work on it13:41
zOnnyI did deployed it13:41
jelknerawesome!13:41
zOnnyin Mayfirst :D13:41
jelkneryou da' man zOnny!13:41
zOnnyhowever, all the credentials are not updated13:41
jelknerso Louie was right thomasboimah 13:41
thomasboimahYes13:41
jelkneryeah, i don't know what to do about any of that13:42
thomasboimahBut i get confuse when zOnny was asking about it again13:42
jelknerwe've been hurting since you left zOnny, it's *SO* good to have you back!13:42
jelknerthomasboimah, zOnny needs to refresh his memory13:42
thomasboimahyes13:42
jelknerit's been several years he hasn't thought about all this13:42
jelknerbut it will come back to him13:43
thomasboimahHe said that13:43
zOnnygive a year13:43
jelknerlol13:43
jelknerwe need to be a bit quicker than that13:43
jelknersince we need to start generating some revenue13:44
jelknerto keep you here with us this time zOnny ;-)13:44
jelknerok, i'll drop out again13:44
jelknersince i think you two have what you need, right?13:44
zOnnyyes Jeff13:44
thomasboimah+113:45
jelknerthanks my friends13:45
jelknertalk to you soon...13:45
jelknerACTION leaves again13:45
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zOnnySorry thomas, I feel so dumb right now 13:45
thomasboimahNo problem zOnny 13:46
thomasboimahyou need sometime 13:46
thomasboimahso get everything back13:46
thomasboimah*to*13:46
zOnnyIt should be in bitwarden 13:47
zOnnyWe need to start using the bitwarden properly13:47
zOnnyotherwise we are going to be stuck easily13:47
thomasboimahIs this the mean of the CIDU: Colorado Independent Drivers United ?13:49
zOnnyso in the secosol server we are just users, yes?13:49
thomasboimah+113:49
zOnnythe one you gave me is just an user, yes?13:49
zOnnygot it13:49
thomasboimahBut i have access to the root13:50
zOnnyok13:50
thomasboimahIs this the mean of the CIDU: Colorado Independent Drivers United ?13:50
zOnnyyes13:51
thomasboimahahh okay is see this in bitwanden13:51
zOnnyyes, but we don't have any info on the server13:53
zOnnythat credential works for the website's log in13:53
zOnnyDid you create an account in the CIDU?13:56
thomasboimahyes13:56
thomasboimahI just did13:56
thomasboimahto see if i can add my ssh through the control panel to login13:57
zOnnyI noticed13:57
zOnnyDid it help?13:58
thomasboimahI still trying to do that13:59
zOnnyWell, it looks we need to reset the psswrd here as well14:10

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