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| thomasboimah | Good morning gabriel_jetro | 11:32 |
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| gabriel_jetro | Good morning thomasboimah how's your night | 11:33 |
| thomasboimah | Good! bro and yours | 11:37 |
| gabriel_jetro | Same | 11:37 |
| thomasboimah | That's good to know. | 11:37 |
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| svaye | Good morning jelkner anthony_p | 12:23 |
| svaye | Good afternoon gabriel_jetro | 12:23 |
| jelkner | Good afternoon svaye! | 12:23 |
| jelkner | not sure anthony_p is actually here | 12:23 |
| jelkner | he seems to be logged in all the time | 12:23 |
| jelkner | and his name is grayed | 12:23 |
| svaye | Oh!! Thanks jelkner | 12:24 |
| jelkner | so i think he is automatically "lurking" and not actually present | 12:24 |
| freena | Greetings jelkner | 12:24 |
| jelkner | Greeting freena | 12:24 |
| svaye | Good afternoon freena | 12:24 |
| jelkner | we have a lot to talk about today | 12:24 |
| jelkner | Glad you're here! | 12:24 |
| jelkner | Greatings jkollie and thomasboimah | 12:26 |
| thomasboimah | Greeting jelkner | 12:27 |
| jkollie | Good morning jelkner | 12:27 |
| thomasboimah | and everyone | 12:27 |
| jkollie | Hi freena, thomasboimah and svaye | 12:27 |
| svaye | Hi jkollie and thomasboimah | 12:28 |
| jelkner | over the weekend i setup the database server that we can use for our gnucash backend. i also spoke with cjones about thomasboimah's first successful pull request and how we can move toward the next one. Today i will be studying for the Business Education Praxis exam i take tomorrow morning. No blockers. | 12:30 |
| thomasboimah | Over the weekend, I worked on my UoPeople assignment. Today, I plan to complete it. I also hope to receive the information I asked Klarious to discuss with Ms. Scholl so we can add it to the website. Once that’s done, we can begin discussing the purchase of a domain name to finalize the project. There are no blockers. | 12:30 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION done | 12:30 |
| jelkner | ACTION done ;-) | 12:31 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits for report ins from svaye freena jkollie | 12:32 |
| svaye | I went over accounting terms as it relates to a balance sheet because klarios and I will be making one tomorrow. We started accounting in spanish, I also started reading on guncash and I will try installing it this week to be more practical. No blockers. | 12:32 |
| svaye | ACTION done | 12:32 |
| klarios | Hi all Give me a second I will rejoin from my computer. It is updating | 12:32 |
| jkollie | firstly I like to apologize for not being in the last meeting, | 12:33 |
| jkollie | I had to deal with data and network issues. | 12:33 |
| jkollie | Today I plan to do a research on how to set up a map display provider | 12:34 |
| jkollie | (like OpenStreetMaps or Google Maps)andand a geocoding provider. | 12:34 |
| jkollie | I was also able to get access to decidim test server | 12:34 |
| jelkner | wow, jkollie, let's talk about that! | 12:34 |
| jkollie | okay jelkner | 12:34 |
| thomasboimah | freena, i saw your message this morning. Did you have access to the decidim test server now? | 12:34 |
| klarios | Today I will be reaching out to Jason from MD latino caucus to arrange a meeting for the carousel . Now that the site is back up. | 12:35 |
| jelkner | freena, your report? | 12:35 |
| thomasboimah | If no please stay back after the meeting so i give you access | 12:35 |
| klarios | I am waiting on MS school, I think she will get back today as she normally does | 12:35 |
| thomasboimah | *can* | 12:35 |
| klarios | I’ve got to look through the SPANISH gnu cash guide as well | 12:35 |
| klarios | ACTION done | 12:36 |
| jelkner | freena? | 12:36 |
| dcammue | Good afternoon guys | 12:37 |
| dcammue | Good morning klarios and jelkner | 12:37 |
| thomasboimah | Good afternoon dcammue | 12:37 |
| klarios_ | Good afternoon dcammue | 12:37 |
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| thomasboimah | freena, are you paying attention here??? | 12:38 |
| freena | During the week, I work on my html and css skill and also research and try practicing how to put the map on the server | 12:38 |
| dcammue | During the weekend, I did some practice on html css and some django. Today I will be looking at gnucash again to improve my skills in it. | 12:39 |
| dcammue | ACTION done | 12:39 |
| freena | I couldn't complete the work, because I had some difficulties during that | 12:39 |
| freena | Today, I plan to work with Thomas to grant me access to the server and also work on the map | 12:40 |
| jelkner | ok, time's up | 12:40 |
| freena | ACTION done | 12:40 |
| gabriel_jetro | Greetings everyone, last week I was working with the University Of Liberia to conduct a successful exam. On the team I was assigned as a proctor, later because of my work put in I was working as an examiner for the undergraduate entrance of the University of Liberia. We came to the final stage this gone Saturday and everything went well. This week I plan on continuing from where I previously stop before applying for the | 12:40 |
| gabriel_jetro | University Of Liberia one week internship. | 12:40 |
| gabriel_jetro | ACTION done | 12:40 |
| jelkner | freena, please be quicker to respond when we meet on wednesday | 12:40 |
| freena | Sorry guys internet when off jelkner and thomasboimah | 12:40 |
| jelkner | gabriel_jetro, time's up | 12:40 |
| freena | +1 jelkner | 12:40 |
| jelkner | we start at 12:30 UTC | 12:40 |
| jelkner | and finish by 12:40 UTC | 12:40 |
| jelkner | learning to do this on time is part of our discipline | 12:41 |
| gabriel_jetro | Okay. | 12:41 |
| jelkner | it is the practice we need to do to become professionals | 12:41 |
| jelkner | timing, in business, like on the football field, is crucial | 12:41 |
| jelkner | you can't win without it! ;-) | 12:41 |
| jelkner | ok, i would like to take some time to talk about our plans | 12:42 |
| jelkner | before i go back to studying for my Praxis exam | 12:42 |
| klarios_ | in terms from updates from last week. thomasboimah & dev team got the secosol site back up and got our linode bill down (in progress). Next steps would be Md latino caucus | 12:42 |
| jelkner | i won't be here tomorrow, since i'll be taking the exam | 12:42 |
| jelkner | freena, thomasboimah i need to talk to you two in particular | 12:42 |
| klarios_ | +1 good luck jelkner ! | 12:42 |
| jelkner | since i need your help | 12:42 |
| jelkner | i was supposed to visit with mr. zawolo and jonas in Fredericksburg today | 12:43 |
| jelkner | i rescheduled to july 30th | 12:43 |
| jelkner | i had a great deal of trouble reaching mr. zawolo | 12:43 |
| jelkner | he finally called, but he doesn't answer emails or texts in general | 12:44 |
| jelkner | there is no way i can operate without an asynchronous communication channel | 12:44 |
| jelkner | he has never given me one to use | 12:44 |
| jelkner | so i'm stuck | 12:44 |
| jelkner | freena, thomasboimah i have already given mr. zawolo the box of hardware that i listed to you earlier | 12:45 |
| freena | He's mostly active on WhatsApp jelkner | 12:45 |
| jelkner | so you will need to communicate with him freena, not me | 12:45 |
| jelkner | i don't do WhatsApp | 12:45 |
| jelkner | it won't run on my freedom phone | 12:45 |
| freena | Sure jelkner | 12:45 |
| jelkner | so, let's figure this out | 12:46 |
| jelkner | i will need to plan with him before july 30 | 12:46 |
| jelkner | i'll start calling him 4 days before | 12:46 |
| jelkner | so we can figure out where to meet (he will be picking me up at a metro station) | 12:47 |
| jelkner | i'll email him, cc you freena, and count on you to ping him on WhatsApp | 12:47 |
| jelkner | sound like a plan? | 12:47 |
| freena | +1 jelkner | 12:47 |
| jelkner | we pay $50 every time SJC sends money to Jetro Web | 12:47 |
| jelkner | that's a lot of money | 12:47 |
| jelkner | which could be used by you | 12:47 |
| jelkner | instead of giving it to the banks | 12:48 |
| jelkner | so i want to send a large payment with mr. zawolo | 12:48 |
| jelkner | for a few months at once, so we can save money | 12:48 |
| jelkner | you will also be getting a jetro web office while he is there | 12:48 |
| jelkner | so we need to make sure that happens | 12:49 |
| jelkner | we are still moving slower than we need to move | 12:49 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, you are moving at a great pace | 12:49 |
| jelkner | but gabriel_jetro and mulbah are not keeping up | 12:49 |
| thomasboimah | Sure let just pray that Mr. Zawolo don't cancel his trip again | 12:49 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:49 |
| jelkner | no matter what happens thomasboimah, we move on | 12:50 |
| svaye | jelkner: | 12:50 |
| jelkner | svaye, | 12:50 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, I'm going to work with gabriel_jetro and mulbah on that | 12:50 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, we want all of you to learn the git workflow | 12:50 |
| jelkner | cjones told me that you finally got it | 12:50 |
| thomasboimah | Yep! | 12:50 |
| jelkner | the commit that was accepted had about 30 lines of code | 12:51 |
| klarios_ | what can we do to split the work between thomasboimah , gabriel_jetro , mulbah so that they get the exposure they need and so that the work is done? | 12:51 |
| jelkner | that did what the feature needed | 12:51 |
| svaye | Will the payment include dcammue and I assessment fees at Uopeople? we haven't been there in a long while | 12:51 |
| jelkner | not hundreds of line of AI crap that we don't want! | 12:51 |
| jelkner | svaye, definitely | 12:51 |
| jelkner | you have my promise to pay that | 12:51 |
| klarios_ | yep the first step can be git workflow | 12:51 |
| thomasboimah | That will also be a great idea klarios_ | 12:51 |
| jelkner | but what do you have to give me first, svaye? | 12:51 |
| jelkner | cjones can teach you all how this works | 12:52 |
| jelkner | but you need to work together so that you are getting several pull requests accepted each week | 12:52 |
| klarios_ | in the longer terms (about a year) svaye will know every accounting term in spanish jelkner | 12:52 |
| jelkner | it will be much easier for mulbah when he can live at the new Jetro apartment | 12:53 |
| svaye | I will do my best to be ready for work with SECOSOL at the end of the year. jelkner | 12:53 |
| jelkner | svaye, can you answer my question? | 12:53 |
| klarios_ | I agree jelkner, if its not too far from thomasboimah and gabriel_jetro, it will be easier as well | 12:53 |
| jelkner | what do you need to give me before i pay for your next term, according to our agreement? | 12:53 |
| jelkner | klarios_, they will all need to meet there | 12:54 |
| jelkner | to work together | 12:54 |
| svaye | My grades for last terms which should be B | 12:54 |
| jelkner | +1 svaye! ;-) | 12:54 |
| jelkner | so i'm waiting on that | 12:54 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, can we talk about the database server? | 12:55 |
| klarios_ | +1 so we are truly relying on Mr Zawolo for our next crucial step | 12:55 |
| thomasboimah | Sure jelkner | 12:55 |
| jelkner | klarios_, we will depend on him | 12:55 |
| thomasboimah | I saw you email about that this morning | 12:55 |
| thomasboimah | *your* | 12:55 |
| jelkner | but if he doesn't go, we'll come up with plan B | 12:55 |
| jelkner | we have no choice | 12:55 |
| svaye | I have it downloaded on my computer but I don't want to send it through email because it will take a lot of space, so I will post it on codeberg as a markdown file and send you a link. jelkner | 12:55 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, here is the big idea: | 12:55 |
| jelkner | if we are going to learn bookkeeping together, the technical challenge is how to share data over a distance | 12:56 |
| jelkner | gnucash originally just used XML files as a data store | 12:56 |
| jelkner | that is *terrible* for remote collaboration! | 12:56 |
| jelkner | the file would have to be passed around | 12:57 |
| jelkner | and could easily be damaged in the process | 12:57 |
| jelkner | so motivated by dcammue talking about gnucash, i looked into it again | 12:57 |
| jelkner | it now support relational databases as a backend | 12:57 |
| jelkner | (postgresql, mysql, and sqlite) | 12:58 |
| thomasboimah | OKay you rock! dcammue | 12:58 |
| jelkner | we need to learn how that works | 12:58 |
| jelkner | so here is my question: thomasboimah, do you have the bandwidth to work on that? | 12:58 |
| jelkner | i don't want you to get overextended | 12:58 |
| jelkner | that is my biggest concern | 12:58 |
| klarios_ | we've got to take care of the mission critical things right now jelkner | 12:59 |
| jelkner | and why i keep waiting for your team to grow | 12:59 |
| jelkner | ok, klarios_, so you are saying no | 12:59 |
| thomasboimah | I will make sure to buy enough data with my salary you will send me | 12:59 |
| jelkner | that's fine | 12:59 |
| dcammue | But jelkner , I think if we export the XML file, we can convert it to CSV file | 12:59 |
| klarios_ | if its not a huge investment of time I think thomasboimah should do it! | 12:59 |
| jelkner | no dcammue, that is terrible | 12:59 |
| jelkner | the workflow is completely unworkable | 13:00 |
| dcammue | The is a software that can do that without damaging it | 13:00 |
| jelkner | trust me, dcammue, i've been down this road before | 13:00 |
| jelkner | while you're learning, sure | 13:00 |
| dcammue | Hmmm OK | 13:00 |
| jelkner | it would be ok | 13:00 |
| jelkner | but for managing the financial records of a real business? | 13:00 |
| jelkner | NO!!!! | 13:00 |
| jelkner | you can't get that stuff wrong | 13:01 |
| dcammue | But I will try to do some research on that issue | 13:01 |
| jelkner | dcammue, i'll work with cjones on it | 13:01 |
| jelkner | for now, just he and i will have access to the database server | 13:01 |
| jelkner | we will set it up | 13:01 |
| klarios_ | This is crucial step for our bookeeping goals, with cooperation of dcammue and the dev team it can flow well without intervening with the mission critical things we've got to do | 13:01 |
| jelkner | and we will learn to use it | 13:01 |
| jelkner | we will teach you once we learn | 13:01 |
| jelkner | we need to move to a place where you all can do these kinds of things | 13:02 |
| jelkner | but you're not ready yet | 13:02 |
| thomasboimah | Can i get access to the database server too jelkner | 13:02 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah is, but he is overextended | 13:02 |
| thomasboimah | ?? | 13:02 |
| dcammue | Okay jelkner | 13:02 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, just wait for now | 13:02 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 13:02 |
| jelkner | klarios_ is saying no | 13:02 |
| klarios_ | which I would say is restoring the Maryland Latino Caucus website | 13:02 |
| jelkner | and she is right | 13:02 |
| jelkner | let's close out ms. scholl's website | 13:02 |
| jelkner | and Maryland Latino Caucus | 13:03 |
| thomasboimah | sure! | 13:03 |
| klarios_ | and Ms Scholls site | 13:03 |
| klarios_ | yes! | 13:03 |
| jelkner | and get a few more pull requests accepted | 13:03 |
| thomasboimah | What is wrong with the Marryland Latino Caucus website klarios_ | 13:03 |
| thomasboimah | ?? | 13:03 |
| jelkner | ok, that's mainly what i needed to know | 13:03 |
| thomasboimah | I thought we fixed the issue with the SSL certificate | 13:04 |
| thomasboimah | Is there another problem again??? | 13:04 |
| klarios_ | One of our devs, Luis, accidentally deleted the server and the website was taken down without a backup | 13:04 |
| jelkner | freena, i'll be emailing mr. zawolo by the beginning of next week with a proposal for the office | 13:04 |
| klarios_ | we had to reach out to someone else to get us an older version of the site | 13:05 |
| thomasboimah | klarios_, this is the site right: https://www.mdlatinocaucus.org/ | 13:05 |
| klarios_ | yep thats the site | 13:05 |
| thomasboimah | But it is up running | 13:05 |
| klarios_ | yep its up an runnign but it is an old version | 13:06 |
| klarios_ | they want the version that they payed for | 13:06 |
| thomasboimah | Ahhh okay. now i understand. | 13:06 |
| klarios_ | yep. So it will be meetings with them to figure out what they wanted | 13:07 |
| klarios_ | I don't think I was here for the newer version of the site | 13:07 |
| jelkner | freena, jkollie lets talk a minute about openstreetmaps | 13:07 |
| klarios_ | I am not sure who worked on it other than luis | 13:07 |
| thomasboimah | Okay klarios_ the dev team will be waiting to hear from you. | 13:07 |
| klarios_ | But I can meet with jason (point of contact for MD latino caucus) | 13:07 |
| jelkner | you are probably doing things in the wrong order | 13:07 |
| jelkner | but it is cool that you are looking into it! | 13:07 |
| klarios_ | or I will have to reach out to louis | 13:07 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 13:08 |
| jelkner | it was zOnny, klarios_ | 13:08 |
| jelkner | no louie that did MD Latino Caucus | 13:08 |
| klarios_ | ahh zonny! | 13:08 |
| klarios_ | I have his number! | 13:08 |
| jelkner | yes you do | 13:08 |
| klarios_ | I will ask him to give us a bit of his time then | 13:08 |
| jelkner | but you need to establish that relationship for yourself | 13:08 |
| klarios_ | thats my next step | 13:08 |
| jelkner | klarios_, that's your main task | 13:09 |
| klarios_ | yes! we;ve been talking a bit | 13:09 |
| jelkner | to handle the customers | 13:09 |
| jelkner | great | 13:09 |
| jelkner | we need a business manager to survive, klarios_ | 13:09 |
| jelkner | and that, my dear comrade, is YOU! ;-) | 13:09 |
| klarios_ | yes, the costumer & dev bridge gap is closing | 13:09 |
| klarios_ | I am confident but I need a way to document the way I do it | 13:10 |
| jelkner | i'll handle the development team | 13:10 |
| jelkner | if you can handle the business team | 13:10 |
| jelkner | we'll both support each other of course | 13:10 |
| jelkner | but those are our primary responsibilities | 13:10 |
| klarios_ | I dont think there needs to be lots of fragmentation jelkner, the dev team and I have been working great together | 13:10 |
| jelkner | klarios_, not fragmentation, ACCOUNTABILITY! | 13:11 |
| jelkner | since when sh*t doesn't get done | 13:11 |
| klarios_ | now I wouldnt know that their work flow looks like (you can guide them with that) but in terms of getting things doene and communicating, its been working great | 13:11 |
| jelkner | who will own up to it | 13:11 |
| jelkner | ? | 13:11 |
| jelkner | feel me? | 13:11 |
| jelkner | as scooper used to say | 13:11 |
| klarios_ | yeah I get you. I think these meetings help with accountability. For example, thomasboimah called me out about me not answering an email once lol. I immediately answered the email | 13:12 |
| jelkner | i am telling you here and now for all to hear, i can't be responsible for customer follow up | 13:12 |
| jelkner | so if you don't do it, who? | 13:12 |
| jelkner | i can be responsible for following up with the dev team | 13:12 |
| jelkner | and i accept that responsibility | 13:12 |
| jelkner | i am trying to model what it looks like to be responsible | 13:13 |
| klarios_ | I know that myself and hopefully with more joining me to take that responsability. | 13:13 |
| jelkner | for what i agreed to be responsible for | 13:13 |
| klarios_ | with that in mind I also have to be confident that the dev team isnt overextended | 13:13 |
| jelkner | freena is supposed to be your partner | 13:13 |
| jelkner | she hasn't really been doing that yet | 13:13 |
| klarios_ | +1 yep and I am not really sure how to start doing that either | 13:13 |
| klarios_ | I am not sure what our first step should be | 13:14 |
| jelkner | so she (or someone else Jetro chooses if freena can't do it) will need to be your business manager partner on the Liberia side | 13:14 |
| jelkner | klarios_, that is not too difficult to figure out | 13:14 |
| klarios_ | that is the goal jelkner, if they are up to doing it, they should commit to working with me | 13:14 |
| jelkner | what do we need most from our business managers at this point? | 13:14 |
| jelkner | i'll tell you | 13:14 |
| klarios_ | but I cannot enforce roles onto people | 13:14 |
| jelkner | to bring in customers, manage deliver of service to them, and then get paid! | 13:15 |
| jelkner | you're young, klarios_ | 13:15 |
| jelkner | so i get what you're saying | 13:15 |
| jelkner | it is not an issue of "forcing" | 13:15 |
| jelkner | it is creating a culture of accountability | 13:16 |
| svaye | I would love to learn from you klarios_ . I am on the business team and that would be my job sooner than later. | 13:16 |
| jelkner | since i send the cash at this point, i have the power to withhold that cash | 13:16 |
| jelkner | i have threatened to use that power many many times | 13:16 |
| jelkner | i need to | 13:16 |
| jelkner | because as i alway say | 13:16 |
| jelkner | i'm old | 13:16 |
| jelkner | and this cash will not continue to flow forever | 13:17 |
| jelkner | i'll either die or retire | 13:17 |
| jelkner | and that will be the end of that | 13:17 |
| jelkner | so if we want to make a real impact | 13:17 |
| jelkner | we need to step up and create something that is bigger than any of us individually | 13:17 |
| jelkner | like Industrial Commons or Poder Emma | 13:17 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll get off my soap box | 13:18 |
| jelkner | but i told you klarios_ | 13:18 |
| jelkner | since you need to live from our revenue too | 13:18 |
| jelkner | you have the same power over the cash as i do | 13:18 |
| jelkner | since you have power to tell me what to do | 13:18 |
| jelkner | if you lead, i'll follow you | 13:19 |
| jelkner | this business is for you to live, not me | 13:19 |
| jelkner | so, bottom line | 13:19 |
| klarios_ | yeah that is true. We can still do this very intentionally so that people step into their roles from a social justice empowerment & survival point of view. | 13:19 |
| jelkner | Jetro needs to identify one person who can work with klarios_ as business manager | 13:19 |
| jelkner | that person needs to be committed 100% | 13:19 |
| klarios_ | that's a decision they make on their own though | 13:19 |
| jelkner | yes, klarios_ | 13:20 |
| jelkner | they make the decision | 13:20 |
| svaye | I would love to learn from you klarios_ . I am on the business team and that would be my job sooner than later. | 13:20 |
| jelkner | but you and i hold them accountable to deliver | 13:20 |
| klarios_ | +1 okay | 13:20 |
| klarios_ | thank you svaye ! | 13:20 |
| jelkner | svaye, you take initiative and have *a lot* of skill | 13:20 |
| klarios_ | you are doing great in spanish as well | 13:20 |
| jelkner | my concern for you, as you know because i said it many times, was you were over extended | 13:21 |
| klarios_ | hopefully the office gets good wifi so that we can do jitsy more often | 13:21 |
| jelkner | very talented young people like you tend to get over extended svaye | 13:21 |
| jelkner | i see it all the time at my school | 13:21 |
| jelkner | since you are so good at what you do | 13:21 |
| jelkner | *everyone* wants you to work with them! | 13:21 |
| jelkner | and you get excited about all the attention, and want to do everything | 13:22 |
| jelkner | you can't do everything | 13:22 |
| jelkner | you will fail if you try | 13:22 |
| jelkner | so you need to choose if you want to succeed | 13:22 |
| svaye | Don't worry jelkner I know my limit, I won't take it if I can't handle it | 13:22 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 13:22 |
| jelkner | Jetro, you all need to decide who you want to be your business manager | 13:22 |
| jelkner | tell us | 13:22 |
| jelkner | and that person will work closely with klarios_ | 13:23 |
| jelkner | she and i will hold you accountable | 13:23 |
| klarios_ | or perhaps youd like to recruit a new person into the team | 13:23 |
| jelkner | like i am doing now with thomasboimah | 13:23 |
| jelkner | we will give you concrete tasks | 13:23 |
| klarios_ | it truly is all your decision jetro | 13:23 |
| jelkner | and expect that you will fulfill them | 13:23 |
| thomasboimah | yep! jelkner can i ask you a question | 13:24 |
| thomasboimah | ? | 13:24 |
| jelkner | of course, my dear friend, please... | 13:24 |
| thomasboimah | Just to get your view. From the past time you been working with Jetro who you think is up for this task??? | 13:24 |
| svaye | I figure I need to work with klarios because when you came to Liberia the last time you talked about Jetro having a business manager, and klarios is an excellent teacher. I am on the business team that's kinda like my job I think. jelkner | 13:24 |
| jelkner | i would say that svaye has the greatest skills for this task at this time | 13:25 |
| klarios_ | well its the person who truly wants it, who is committed to show up for it | 13:26 |
| jelkner | dcammue is doing a great job learning, and he takes initiative too | 13:26 |
| klarios_ | also thakn you svaye ! | 13:26 |
| thomasboimah | Okay jelkner if that the case let svaye go for it | 13:26 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, can you all meet and decide? | 13:26 |
| klarios_ | you all should vote | 13:26 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:26 |
| thomasboimah | okay jelkner | 13:26 |
| klarios_ | and let us know what came out of meeting and voting | 13:27 |
| jelkner | ok, i need to go | 13:27 |
| klarios_ | Me too! | 13:27 |
| jelkner | same time wednesday, yes? | 13:27 |
| klarios_ | same time tomorrow | 13:27 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, just to ask is freena not doing that well?? | 13:27 |
| klarios_ | not for jelkner tho | 13:27 |
| jelkner | let me answer that question thoughtfully and respectfully | 13:28 |
| jelkner | freena needs to take a lot more initiative | 13:28 |
| jelkner | that's what i see as missing | 13:28 |
| jelkner | leaders need to be proactive | 13:28 |
| jelkner | they make things happen | 13:28 |
| jelkner | they don't sit around and wait | 13:28 |
| jelkner | we need someone in the business manager spot that is willing to lead | 13:29 |
| jelkner | to "own the problem" | 13:29 |
| klarios_ | well I think its a matter of discerning whether freena wants to do this or not. I think we are set on our decidim development and I think freena takes a developer approach rather than business. I think she would be a great dev leader | 13:29 |
| jelkner | owning the problem means that when we agree on a goal | 13:29 |
| jelkner | like getting the office | 13:29 |
| jelkner | the leader thinks day in and day out | 13:29 |
| svaye | freena: is having problem with her Internet, so she might not be stable. | 13:29 |
| jelkner | what do we need to do to meet that goal? | 13:29 |
| jelkner | leaders need to be resilient | 13:30 |
| jelkner | since so many things go wrong | 13:30 |
| klarios_ | there are things that limit her like all people, we've got to figure out how to help her so that she naturally sits in the role she wants to and is motivated to | 13:30 |
| jelkner | if you aren't resilient | 13:30 |
| jelkner | the frustration will stop you | 13:30 |
| jelkner | so you need to move on even when frustrated | 13:30 |
| klarios_ | we can only do so much | 13:30 |
| jelkner | did i answer your question thomasboimah? | 13:30 |
| thomasboimah | yes! jelkner thanks | 13:31 |
| jelkner | LOL (and this one is for klarios_ ;-) Leaders send emails! | 13:31 |
| thomasboimah | lol | 13:31 |
| klarios_ | my question jelkner is how can we support freena because we know she can be a great leader! | 13:31 |
| dcammue | jelkner: , if I may not be cutting you off. | 13:31 |
| jelkner | great question klarios_ | 13:33 |
| jelkner | i'm loving this discussion | 13:33 |
| jelkner | klarios_, you can help | 13:33 |
| jelkner | dcammue, don't wait | 13:33 |
| jelkner | type | 13:33 |
| dcammue | I just did a quick huge research on Freena accounting software that is multi-user and we and do a collaborative work with it | 13:33 |
| dcammue | This is the link | 13:33 |
| dcammue | https://akaunting.com/ | 13:33 |
| dcammue | You can do more research and get better understanding of it | 13:34 |
| dcammue | Myself too, I will do more research | 13:34 |
| dcammue | So we can compare note | 13:34 |
| jelkner | nice work dcammue! | 13:34 |
| jelkner | here is my task for you | 13:35 |
| jelkner | 1. create a git repo on codeberg for your research | 13:35 |
| dcammue | It works for both the US and Liberia | 13:35 |
| jelkner | put your notes in markdown files there | 13:35 |
| dcammue | Okay | 13:35 |
| jelkner | i'll help you with that research beginning wednesday | 13:35 |
| jelkner | ok, back to klarios_ helping freena become the leader she can be | 13:36 |
| jelkner | klarios_, i am intentionally trying to help you become the leader you can be | 13:36 |
| jelkner | hopefully i'm modeling some of what you need to do with freena | 13:36 |
| jelkner | i can't make you do things just like you said you can't make freena do things | 13:37 |
| jelkner | but i can hold high expectations for you | 13:37 |
| jelkner | and let you know how pleased i am when you meet them | 13:37 |
| klarios_ | I am well motivated and like to make my own choices jelkner ! I know what needs to be done and I believe in the work that we do | 13:37 |
| jelkner | and how disappointed i am when you don't | 13:37 |
| jelkner | then it's up to you | 13:37 |
| jelkner | i know how resilient you are klarios_ | 13:38 |
| jelkner | you have had to "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" all your life | 13:38 |
| klarios_ | this is the first time ive ever done this in my life and I know I will continue to do it | 13:38 |
| jelkner | i understand that deeply | 13:38 |
| jelkner | but you need to learn to be accountable to others if you want to be part of a group | 13:38 |
| jelkner | and not just a lone wolf | 13:38 |
| jelkner | that means working in a group where goals are shared, not just personal | 13:39 |
| jelkner | it actually means giving up a little bit of that "i'll do it my way" that has served you so well | 13:39 |
| jelkner | you can learn that together with freena | 13:40 |
| jelkner | you don't have the capacity to do what needs to be done yourself | 13:40 |
| jelkner | none of us do | 13:40 |
| jelkner | so if we want to change the world | 13:40 |
| jelkner | we need to do it together | 13:40 |
| jelkner | that means trusting each other | 13:41 |
| jelkner | and depending on each other | 13:41 |
| jelkner | that's hard | 13:41 |
| jelkner | since we think of what others do as out of our control | 13:41 |
| jelkner | anyway, we can learn this best i think through praxis | 13:41 |
| jelkner | throught doing it | 13:41 |
| klarios_ | The biggest thing I see for myself isnt just my goals, but seeing this group of people know that their work can change the world and a lot is needed for that | 13:42 |
| jelkner | great, so let's build on that | 13:42 |
| jelkner | we need to become a successful business for this shared effort to serve us | 13:42 |
| jelkner | so let's do that! | 13:42 |
| jelkner | let's do whatever it takes to learn to provide value to customers, and to get them to pay us for our service | 13:43 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 13:43 |
| jelkner | that means developing a daily routine where the business manager thinks about each client | 13:43 |
| jelkner | what is happening to the account | 13:44 |
| thomasboimah | I think i like the discussion today! | 13:44 |
| thomasboimah | *this* | 13:44 |
| jelkner | and what needs to be done to move it to closure | 13:44 |
| jelkner | me too thomasboimah! | 13:44 |
| jelkner | it shows how far we have come | 13:44 |
| thomasboimah | Yep! | 13:44 |
| jelkner | okie dokie, i need to pass a praxis to teach business next year | 13:45 |
| jelkner | so i need to go | 13:45 |
| thomasboimah | Okay klarios_ please ping Ms. Scholl on the information we need for the website. And also hoping to see jelkner email to Mr. zawolo. | 13:45 |
| jelkner | see y'all wednesday | 13:45 |
| klarios_ | yep thomasboimah, she will most likely respond today | 13:45 |
| klarios_ | Bye jelkner ! good luck | 13:45 |
| thomasboimah | Okay jelkner wish you success on you test tomorrow! | 13:45 |
| klarios_ | see you tuesday | 13:45 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 13:45 |
| thomasboimah | *your* | 13:46 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off until wednesday | 13:46 |
| svaye | Have a wonderful day jelkner, and good luck tomorrow | 13:46 |
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| thomasboimah | Okay guys buy | 13:46 |
| thomasboimah | *bye8 | 13:46 |
| thomasboimah | bye* | 13:46 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION leaving | 13:46 |
| klarios_ | see you tomorrow thomasboimah ! see you tomorrow for class svaye ! | 13:47 |
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| svaye | Have a wonderful rest of the day everyone. | 13:47 |
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| svaye | ACTION signs off | 13:47 |
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